Westone W60 Impressions Thread
Mar 10, 2015 at 5:47 PM Post #604 of 1,957
"W60 is just an extension of the same Westone sound"  ....... and SE846 isn't the same for Shure?
 
I think with W60 (over W40) you get a better extended treble, larger soundstage and deeper bass.
Going from SE535 to SE846, you get a deeper, better bass.  Everything else is the same overly forward Shure midrange.
 
I would take the W30 straight up over the SE846, let alone the W40 or W60.
 
While W4R may not have been everyone's cup of tea (including me), it was a nice offering to a pure audiophile crowd with a more reserved but detailed bass.   Yes, it still had the warm Westone sig but somehow also came up with REALLY improved treble extension and terrific overall transparency.  The masses generally ranked it better than UE900. 
 
While the W40 improved the bass from W4R (and it was a nice improvement), I'm not sure it made that original classic W4 sound a better sound.  I'm of the opinion that if you wanted more bass, go with the W30.  I feel very strongly about this.  If you loved the original W4....W60 is the phenomenal step up and easily worth double the price (versus SE535 to SE846).
 
My logic is that W4 was the better audiophile sounding IEM already originally (over SE535) and the improvements to W60 are vaster than the improvements from what you get going from SE535 to SE846.
 
Mar 11, 2015 at 3:02 AM Post #606 of 1,957
  "W60 is just an extension of the same Westone sound"  ....... and SE846 isn't the same for Shure?
 
I think with W60 (over W40) you get a better extended treble, larger soundstage and deeper bass.
Going from SE535 to SE846, you get a deeper, better bass.  Everything else is the same overly forward Shure midrange.
 
I would take the W30 straight up over the SE846, let alone the W40 or W60.
 
While W4R may not have been everyone's cup of tea (including me), it was a nice offering to a pure audiophile crowd with a more reserved but detailed bass.   Yes, it still had the warm Westone sig but somehow also came up with REALLY improved treble extension and terrific overall transparency.  The masses generally ranked it better than UE900. 
 
While the W40 improved the bass from W4R (and it was a nice improvement), I'm not sure it made that original classic W4 sound a better sound.  I'm of the opinion that if you wanted more bass, go with the W30.  I feel very strongly about this.  If you loved the original W4....W60 is the phenomenal step up and easily worth double the price (versus SE535 to SE846).
 
My logic is that W4 was the better audiophile sounding IEM already originally (over SE535) and the improvements to W60 are vaster than the improvements from what you get going from SE535 to SE846.

 
So you say that you would take W40 over Shure SE846? I was curious about those, thanks for saving me the money. lol.
 
Mar 11, 2015 at 3:06 AM Post #607 of 1,957
   
So you say that you would take W40 over Shure SE846? I was curious about those, thanks for saving me the money. lol.


he's a pretty Pro-westone guy, but typically if you dont like Westone product shure is probably your baby and vice versa. From what I read, Westone is for me, I dont like Forward midrange on any headphones, it make me tire after a while. I like a Laid back mid range that blend with the other freq, which is what Westone W40 and W60 offers.
 
Mar 11, 2015 at 3:16 AM Post #608 of 1,957
Thats what I like too. Maybe why I'm loving the W40's so much. A small box of surprises everyday this IEM. For the first time I'm looking into lyrics, such is the definition and lushness of the midrange and they're not mid centric at all. Just incredibly lush. I just can imagine W60 being audio nirvana.
 
A shame I lost those Phonak tips. It was many years ago. Bass was terrific from them too.
 
Mar 11, 2015 at 3:46 AM Post #609 of 1,957
   
I agree that the SE846 brings something new to the party with that excellent bass presentation. In that regard, the W60 might seem a little too formulaic; after all, it is simply a refinement of Westone's house sound, tuned for peak performance. But what a sound it is. For a purely universal IEM, it's capabilities are quite difficult to match. I've tested the W60 against the SE846 a handful of times now, and I've always ended up being a lot more impressed with the Westone.
 
 
Yeah, whenever I compare the W60 and the SE846, the IEM that sounds the more alluring of the 2 in the first few minutes is the SE846. The lush and powerful vocals and that addictive bass really combine for a wonderful sound. But stick with the W60 a little longer and you'll hear this IEM sing. That smooth, detailed and extended treble with oodles of clarity is just a winner in my book.

 
The SE846 are annoying with the low impedance, really needs a good low impedance dap/amp to actually produce the superb bass impact, I used to think they sounded good till I plugged them into my J3, totally different experience. I personally prefer a more exciting sound, with regions that stand out. The filters on the 846 really do make a difference, the white filter pulls the mids back and allows the instruments to sound much more realistic, I like how I can change it depending on mood. W60 are less picky with the source and tuned to flatter, grand audiophile sound with more details.
 
Mar 13, 2015 at 8:47 AM Post #612 of 1,957
The Westone W60- !!!LONG POST!!!

At this point, I am going to assume everyone knows all about the fact that this is Westone’s flagship, 6 armature, new IEM and etc... In an effort to abbreviate my post, I am not going to go back through all of this detail.

I am glad I discarded all the overly glowing and harsh praise heaped onto this IEM. It was a nice reminder to listen for myself. A hundred plus hours later I am here to share what I heard.

Gear used-
• Ipod touch 5th gen using FLAC from Tuneshell
• RSA Intruder
• Ted Allen Balanced silver Litz cables (not even a close comparison to both of the stock SE cables).
***Update- now have copper Litz cables from Ted Allen. These are a better match for W60. If you have the W60, I would save money and get the copper litz configuration. It improves the dryness in upper midrange. It seems to give a more musical presentation.
****Update #2- I now have also tested the W60s with the AK240 and the Chord Hugo. Great synergy with these two devices as well.

The marketing of the W60-
I feel like I need to comment on this. They launched this IEM at CES and won a best of show. Westone was off to a good start but it really seemed like that gave them a little too much confidence in the launch of this new product. It really bugs me how poorly this IEM was launched. I would have loved to see them give Jude or some of the other Headfier professionals a chance to demo these headphones in advance…we are their target audience after all. Not only were there no further review or news feeds, they started to miss deadlines. They announced a new product on their Facebook page was to launch but that did not happen as promised. After that, a few more missed deadlines. I could keep going but you get the point. On a plus side, they did reward my patience with Westone earplugs which could come in handy.

Packaging (8/10)-
• With a 1k price, you expect a great deal . There were not any glaring issues but it was not as premium as I had hoped.
• The 2 cables, assortment of tips and travel case were all as pictured. My only thought was that the travel case was smaller and of lower quality than I thought from the pictures.
• I don’t listen to packaging though so who cares!

Fit ((8/10)-
• They are reasonable in size and smaller than the 846 with more armatures. For those looking to sleep in IEMs these do sit more flush inside the cavity in the ear.
• I have very small ears despite being over 6 feet tall. I have been using the smallest green star tips on my 846 and thought it would be easy to put the same tips on my w60. Wrong! They certainly fit very comfortably but I could not get a decent seal. Upon examination, the nozzle length is shorter than the 846 so I tried a few other star tips including the longer ones but could never get the ideal fit.
• I went back and forth between the foam, star and various other tips. Ultimately, the original star tip that came factory installed worked best for me. Shallow insertion is my recommendation on these IEMs. The Shure and other brands seem better with a deep insertion.

Finish (7/10).
• Let’s get the obvious out of the way. The seam may be intended by the manufacture but it does look like a crack and I cannot understand why they could not have designed it to avoid that seem.
• The interchangeable faceplates. I have no need to change or customize these but I could see some folks enjoying these. You may want to put a red faceplate on your right iem so you can more quickly identify the left/right ear. Others may simply like the cosmetic appeal of a particular color.
• The overall shell feels more roughly finished than the 846. The 846 feels premium by comparison. Not to mention that the Shure has a metal nozzle with interchangeable filters. The W60 has a plastic nozzle as in the past. To be fair, if you step on either they won't survive.
•This may sound silly but I like being able to see the model number on my IEM. There is not a W60 on these IEMs but not really a big deal.

Imaging (9.5/10)
• This is one of the most important areas for me. I realize there is not a headphone on the planet that can come close to the imaging of my stereo, but there are surprising differences among headphones and IEMs.
• I would say that this IEM surpasses the 846 in imaging by 10%.
• I spent some time trying to decide why I thought they might image better and I think it is in the detail retrieval in the upper registers. I could be wrong but that is how I am hearing it.
• For imaging evaluations, I listened to Gershwin – Rhapsody in Blue (FLAC). The amount of air and space, placement of instruments was superb for an IEM.

Bass (8.5/10)
• Certainly an improvement on the W4R and W40. That being said, it is not a bassheads IEM at all. I am not a basshead though…
• I find the bass to be taught and relatively tight like a sealed sub enclosure.
• It does not reach the lowest registers like the 846 or my LCD 2.2s.
• I think Westone did a fairly good job preventing bass bleed into the the lower midrange but it is not as tidy as the 846 but I am really nitpicking here.

Treble (9/10)
• I hate analytical and sibilant treble so made myself listen to these headphones for a couple of weeks just to spend time them. I wanted to give my brain time to burn-in to the new presentation of sound. Also, if you tend to shy away from analytical sounding IEM's, look for copper litz aftermarket cables.
• In doing so, I would not say they are sibilant or overly bright. They certainly reach higher than the 846.
• If anything, I feel like the extended sound helps to punctuate what I am hearing.
• I find the treble exceptionally pleasing with female vocals and acoustic /stringed instruments.
• I used Eva Cassidy, Fiona Apple, Sara Brightman and multiple other female vocals to tease this out. The presentation of female vocals and strings really is 3 dimensional and magical.

Midrange(8.0/10)-
• I need to state my bias is towards Shure’s midrange tuning. I know it is more forward and lush but I do love it. Please take this bias into account when you read my take.
• I disagree with the descriptions I read about “smooth/honey-like” midrange tuning from Westone. Shure has the smoother mid-range in my opinion.
• I find the presentation of Westone’s midrange to be thinner and dryer. I am going to guess it is closer to reference than Shure but sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.
• With male vocals, it misses some of the weight and grit. I listened to Chris Isaak, Chris Jones, Josh Groban and many others to sort out what I was hearing.
• With female vocals, it works beautifully. Even with deeper female vocals like you can hear on London Grammar and many female jazz vocalists.

If you had to pick between the W60 or 846, it would come down to what you find important. I plan to keep both because they both are strong but different. I am glad I don’t have to choose though.

Happy listening!


IM ALSO VERY HAPPY WITH THIS TWO IEM. GREAT SOUNDS BUT MY WALLET BLEEDS. HE HE HE
 
Mar 14, 2015 at 3:22 PM Post #613 of 1,957
I love Westone IEMs. I've had the W4R and now the W60. I've also owned Shure 846. 
 
One thing! I absolutely HATE the W60's stock cables!! Very underpowered and frankly doesn't do the W60s any justice. Unlike the W4Rs, the W60s have an MMX connector (originally used /invented by Shure but used by many companies now including Westone). I used Shure SE 846 stock cable on the W60. 
 
O M G!! Sound was a million times better! More power, larger soundstage, more detailed sound overall. 
 
Please!! If you have the W60s (or any Westones with MMX connector) CHANGE the stock cable IMMEDIATELY!!!
 
Yes, they are supple, thin and flexible and got good micrphonics but they mean absolutely nothing if it compromises the sound quality!! I bought Whiplash Audio's Reference IEM cable and ...well, I'm basically at IEM Utopia now..its all sorted, reached my destination.
 
What a shame that even if the W60s have been well received, it would've been based on the stock cable which was undoubtedly used to listen to the sound quality.
 
CHANGE THAT DARN RUBBISH STOCK CABLE AND SEE WHAT YOUR W60s are really made of!!
 
Mar 14, 2015 at 3:34 PM Post #614 of 1,957
I find the only people that question the IEM are the ones that have not demoed it.  Although I am sure people exist, I cannot remember anyone that has given this IEM a serious listen having anything really negative to say.  Most seem to agree it is up there with other TOTL IEMs.  It fares well in compares with SE846, 3003, IE800 and the universals.  I even recall a couple Roxanne owners having very favorable things to say about the W60.  
 
YMMV.
 
Mar 14, 2015 at 3:39 PM Post #615 of 1,957
  I find the only people that question the IEM are the ones that have not demoed it.  Although I am sure people exist, I cannot remember anyone that has given this IEM a serious listen having anything really negative to say.  Most seem to agree it is up there with other TOTL IEMs.  It fares well in compares with SE846, 3003, IE800 and the universals.  I even recall a couple Roxanne owners having very favorable things to say about the W60.  
 
YMMV.

 
You can count me amongst those Roxanne owners. The W60's whole treble region is better than the Roxanne's. As an overall package, the Roxanne edges the W60 out by a bit, thanks to its delicious bass and that massive soundstage. Still, the W60 is no slouch, and I could see many a potential owner choosing them over the Roxanne. Besides, it's cheaper, smaller and more comfortable (compared to the universal Roxanne).
 

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