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Some people have to run the Westone cables behind their head due to the short y-split, but fortunately I don't and I have a 17.5" neck at 240lbs.
Originally Posted by moseboy /img/forum/go_quote.gif Do people just prefer the shorter Y-split? I'm just wondering why Westone would decide to shorten that length when Shure and Ultimate Ears didn't, unless it was a cost decision which I would understand. It's just a shame having such a fantastic cable have this limitation. I taped the Y-split on my SE530 at 28 cm. I'll try it out to see if I can stand it. |
Originally Posted by ProleArtThreat /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think the length of the Y split is a tad bit short but not unusable, at least for me. I definitely would prefer a slightly longer length since I tend to prefer wear them over my front neck and not behind. |
Originally Posted by moseboy /img/forum/go_quote.gif Exactly, me too. |
Originally Posted by catscratch /img/forum/go_quote.gif Right. More days of listening have brought... nothing good at all. I'm hearing serious problems with the W3's midrange. The mids are recessed compared to the UM2 and ES2, and there isn't enough midrange clarity. It really sounds like the mids are coming from a speaker with a blanket draped over it - muted and distant. The second problem I'm hearing is in the lower treble. With the Kenwood HD20GA7 player, I didn't hear treble problems because the Kenwood has very delicate highs, much like a standalone CD player. However, the iAudio 7 player that I bought to use with the W3 is voiced much like your typical mp3 player - bright, with slight midbass boost and lower treble boost. Together with the W3's upper bass boost and lower treble boost, it creates a U-shaped EQ with the mids taking a back seat to the bass and lower treble, which together makes for a very un-musical sound signature to my ears. I can't crank things up loud enough for the mids to become full and really manifest themselves because the treble becomes painful and the bass becomes intrusive/overwhelming. Midrange tone is also a bit off - the highs don't have enough extension which kills overtones and harmonics, while the upper bass and lower midrange are exaggerated, which makes the mids a lot warmer. The net effect is that textures are washed-out, detail is glossed over, and tone is warm but artificial. Warm mids are great when you have a lot of texture and detail, but when you don't, they just sound artificial, muddy, and a bit plasticky - though not plasticky to the same extent as the E500 mids do, which are tonally even more wrong with most mp3 players. The UM2 really did have better mids than either the E500 or W3. Everything else I've said though is still there - great bass, wide soundstage, decent detail, lots of dynamic range, and of course superb comfort and physical design. However, the nasty mids are disappointing, especially since Westone IEMs have been known for their midrange quality. What's the extra midrange driver in there for? I can't quite figure it out. Right now, I'd say the W3 is about on par with the UM2 and E500, maybe slightly better but not in a different league. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm working on a full-review. It won't be primarily negative, since I still like the W3, but I will try to provide a balanced perspective and highlight the faults that I'm hearing. |
Originally Posted by catscratch /img/forum/go_quote.gif Right. More days of listening have brought... nothing good at all. I'm hearing serious problems with the W3's midrange. The mids are recessed compared to the UM2 and ES2, and there isn't enough midrange clarity. It really sounds like the mids are coming from a speaker with a blanket draped over it - muted and distant. The second problem I'm hearing is in the lower treble. With the Kenwood HD20GA7 player, I didn't hear treble problems because the Kenwood has very delicate highs, much like a standalone CD player. However, the iAudio 7 player that I bought to use with the W3 is voiced much like your typical mp3 player - bright, with slight midbass boost and lower treble boost. Together with the W3's upper bass boost and lower treble boost, it creates a U-shaped EQ with the mids taking a back seat to the bass and lower treble, which together makes for a very un-musical sound signature to my ears. I can't crank things up loud enough for the mids to become full and really manifest themselves because the treble becomes painful and the bass becomes intrusive/overwhelming. Midrange tone is also a bit off - the highs don't have enough extension which kills overtones and harmonics, while the upper bass and lower midrange are exaggerated, which makes the mids a lot warmer. The net effect is that textures are washed-out, detail is glossed over, and tone is warm but artificial. Warm mids are great when you have a lot of texture and detail, but when you don't, they just sound artificial, muddy, and a bit plasticky - though not plasticky to the same extent as the E500 mids do, which are tonally even more wrong with most mp3 players. The UM2 really did have better mids than either the E500 or W3. Everything else I've said though is still there - great bass, wide soundstage, decent detail, lots of dynamic range, and of course superb comfort and physical design. However, the nasty mids are disappointing, especially since Westone IEMs have been known for their midrange quality. What's the extra midrange driver in there for? I can't quite figure it out. Right now, I'd say the W3 is about on par with the UM2 and E500, maybe slightly better but not in a different league. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. I'm working on a full-review. It won't be primarily negative, since I still like the W3, but I will try to provide a balanced perspective and highlight the faults that I'm hearing. |
Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif Maybe you have bad synergy with your portable sources. Could you instead try using a better source and amp for the review then, so you aren't reviewing the lower end source and amp instead of the earphones? |
Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif Maybe you have bad synergy with your portable sources. Could you instead try using a better source and amp for the review then, so you aren't reviewing the lower end source and amp instead of the earphones? |
Originally Posted by catscratch /img/forum/go_quote.gif I thought about that, but I don't think so. The Kenwood DAP is one of the best I've ever heard as far as DAPs go, and with it, I still have the same exact problems. The treble is perhaps more refined, but the midrange tone is more off. The IA7 is a pretty good DAP, above average sonically and voiced in a very typical way for DAPs. It's a very good indicator for how well the W3 would perform with iPods and the like. Sure, I could use the Opus 21 with a good amp, but that's not what these headphones were designed for. I'm using them as they were intended - on the move. You could say that the W3 is just a universal-fit IEM and I'm being too critical, but the ES2 is only $250 more and doesn't really need an amp to sound good. Toss out the amp and you're on even footing, so comparisons with it, I think, are valid. |
Originally Posted by HeadphoneAddict /img/forum/go_quote.gif Maybe you have bad synergy with your portable sources. Could you instead try using a better source and amp for the review then, so you aren't reviewing the lower end source and amp instead of the earphones? |
Originally Posted by SierraHotel01 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm beginning to wonder if the SQ variance noted by some here, isn't simply due to a "lack of synergy" with the specific ear canal topography of the members involved. (if that's true, it's a damn shame for you guys - sorry you can't hear the transparency, detail & punch some of us do) |