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Headphoneus Supremus
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Protein Leather. Really good stuff tho. Replaceable.
I have no doubt all the cheap mass market stuff is mainly OTS designed entirely by OEMs. Of course I'm mainly referring to stuff we would discuss here. A driver being custom doesn't mean it isn't an OTS part, and I agree that a minority of companies actually design a driver completely in house. They can take an off the shelf part and make slight tweaks to it and legally call it a custom driver because it isn't exactly identical to what the manufacturer of said part already had. Look at what companies like Emotiva, KLH, Monoprice, etc. are all doing with their headphones, and those are all much more established than VZR. You seem to be implying that a OTS driver is a bad thing and I disagree with that. Why bother using resources designing a driver yourself if you already have a capable part available?I believe this is incorrect. By volume, most headphones produced use OTS. You’re looking through a biased lens as a headphones enthusiast because custom hifi gear makes up the majority of your headphones mindshare.
I’m not going down a google research hole to find the reference, so do it yourself.
I actually have a sheepskin leather set that fits the VZR, but I didn't like the sound as much because they are thicker and the bass is even heavier with them on.I did some looking around and I was unable to tell what material the pads are made from. I'm assuming they are fake leather (pleather), but can any owners confirm? If so, that's a shame. Pleather, even the "high quality" stuff doesn't last (especially with my skin chemistry) and it doesn't look like they sell replacements. Are they at least easily replaceable or do they use adhesive or a proprietary mounting mechanism?
Read this and shushI have no doubt all the cheap mass market stuff is mainly OTS designed entirely by OEM manufacturers. Of course I'm mainly referring to stuff we would discuss here. A driver being custom doesn't mean it isn't an OTS part, and I agree that a minority of companies actually design a driver completely in house. They can take an off the shelf part and make slight tweaks to it and legally call it a custom driver because it isn't exactly identical to what the manufacturer of said part already had. Look at what companies like Emotiva, KLH, Monoprice, etc. are all doing with their headphones, and those are all much more established than VZR. You seem to be implying that a OTS driver is a bad thing and I disagree with that. Why bother using resources designing a driver yourself if you already have a capable part available?
I did, and that could be exactly what I mentioned in my last post. I don't care either way if they did or didn't and I don't know why you care either. The only thing that matters is the finished product.
I don’t understand. So you read this and still went through this discussion process, changing your arguments along the way. What was the original point you were trying to make with this information in mind?I did, and that could be exactly what I mentioned in my last post. I don't care either way if they did or didn't and I don't know why you care either. The only thing that matters is the finished product.
One of the things the guy mentioned in the reviews I linked is that VZR is working on other models. I would like to see a higher end model (maybe $500ish?) with a more advanced driver and slightly different bass tuning. The driver itself doesn't seem to be anything special (even though they say it's custom), kind of the typical $100 to $300 level dynamic driver that is very likely being elevated due to the tricks they're using. I'd like to see what some higher end features combined with the acoustic lens is like. As of now these just can't keep up with the dynamics/clarity/speed of my other headsets that aren't even that much more expensive. It wouldn't shock me if they came out with a cheaper model too since most people out there won't spend this kind of money on a gaming headset.
The majority of headphones out there have a "custom" driver. How custom it is varies greatly, from made from scratch to a slight tweak on an existing design. There is nothing wrong with using a well made off the shelf driver and tweaking it to your needs anyway if that is the route they took. I haven't seen the specific interview where they talk about designing it.
I'm sure it'll blow the Hyper X and Fostex away. The Grado will likely be a different story. The spatial qualities are very good for a closed back at this price. I broke mine in with my old MP3 player running over the course of a week on and off.
Just sayingI have no doubt all the cheap mass market stuff is mainly OTS designed entirely by OEMs. Of course I'm mainly referring to stuff we would discuss here. A driver being custom doesn't mean it isn't an OTS part, and I agree that a minority of companies actually design a driver completely in house. They can take an off the shelf part and make slight tweaks to it and legally call it a custom driver because it isn't exactly identical to what the manufacturer of said part already had. Look at what companies like Emotiva, KLH, Monoprice, etc. are all doing with their headphones, and those are all much more established than VZR. You seem to be implying that a OTS driver is a bad thing and I disagree with that. Why bother using resources designing a driver yourself if you already have a capable part available?
“The driver itself doesn’t seem to be anything special”- direct quoteI don't think he meant tricks in a negative way I read that more as "proprietary design".
I know but I think he meant it more in the sense they were able to take an average driver and make it sound awesome with their design. I'll let him tell us though.“The driver itself doesn’t seem to be anything special”- direct quote
In context; It’s either implying that either only advanced materials produce outstanding performance or that the driver is “run of the mill”I know but I think he meant it more in the sense they were able to take an average driver and make it sound awesome with their design. I'll let him tell us though.
In context; It’s either implying that either only advanced materials produce outstanding performance or that the driver is “run of the mill”
He specifically calls out $100-300 peers and qualified “not much more expensive” headphones as the next tier VZR should aim for achieving in their next generation using a “more advanced driver”
It’s not really ambiguous
NiceThey have arrived. Will post review after I get some solid music and gaming time.