Vali 2 tube rolling
Jan 8, 2020 at 6:02 PM Post #5,056 of 6,436
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Be careful. Preferring tubes by color may be misinterpreted. I always refer to sonic character, or plates - safer, what?
Have you bought or owned black glass or grey glass tubes? Generally they are WW 2 vintage and many are exceptional and sought after for sonic quality. I refer to nothing else. With this style of tube it is unusual to see plates, or getter holder. You might see the top mica.
 
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Jan 8, 2020 at 7:13 PM Post #5,057 of 6,436

Now I just absolutely *love* that! One side should be all GE tubes, and the other side good sounding tubes. :slight_smile:
 
Jan 8, 2020 at 7:16 PM Post #5,058 of 6,436
I have a whole bunch of GE tubes I went through trying to find the best one...

Hmmm...isn't that like visiting all the inmates on death row trying to find the friendliest one? :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes:
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 3:14 AM Post #5,059 of 6,436

Have you bought or owned black glass or grey glass tubes? Generally they are WW 2 vintage and many are exceptional and sought after for sonic quality. I refer to nothing else. With this style of tube it is unusual to see plates, or getter holder. You might see the top mica.
I have several smoked glass tubes that sound good to me. Ken-Rad and RCA.
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 7:32 AM Post #5,060 of 6,436
I have several smoked glass tubes that sound good to me. Ken-Rad and RCA.
When you get into the black glass versions they might be more expensive because of rarity, I am not sure. I have owned the black glass RCA and the bass was nearly too much for a couple of my amps so I gave it away. I have heard various theories on the dark materials helping the tube's operation and the theory that for war time use they did not want a lot of light escaping if used in radios in the field. I know some of the modern Chinese tubes use an internal coating but I have never researched it much.

Earlier I was merely saying when buying tubes by the pound I got plenty of working tubes so I thought it might way to get some of the 1940's RCA's and Ken-Rads pretty cheap and I accomplished this lol. I was not about to say some could be worth $100 each so I merely said I liked the looks of them in my headphone rack builds. I also mentioned I liked the ST power tubes and got several RCA 6AS6G's that tested fine as well.
 
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Jan 9, 2020 at 9:47 AM Post #5,061 of 6,436
Quick question; So as I try to round out my initial collection of different/odd tubes to give a "rolling through", will those larger Amperex 6AS7G tubes work in the Vali with an adapter? And if so, I'm assuming it would be the same adapter that allows it to run the 6SN7 tubes? (or is my brain mush this morning?)

Thanks in advance for the answer!

Cheers,
Kev
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 9:49 AM Post #5,062 of 6,436
Quick question; So as I try to round out my initial collection of different/odd tubes to give a "rolling through", will those larger Amperex 6AS7G tubes work in the Vali with an adapter? And if so, I'm assuming it would be the same adapter that allows it to run the 6SN7 tubes? (or is my brain mush this morning?)

Thanks in advance for the answer!

Cheers,
Kev
No, the filament current might support a 6sn7 but not a power tube. I say this without looking up the specs.

I talked to Jason about the specs before using 6sn7 adapters.
 
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Jan 9, 2020 at 9:55 AM Post #5,063 of 6,436
No, the filament current might support a 6sn7 but not a power tube. I saw this without looking up the specs.

I talked to Jason about the specs before using 6sn7 adapters.

Ah, OK; thanks Paladin. Appreciate the quick reply. :slight_smile: I saw one for sale and couldn't remember what one of those larger Amperex tubes would work with the Vali (adapter needed of course).
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 10:08 AM Post #5,064 of 6,436
Ah, OK; thanks Paladin. Appreciate the quick reply. :slight_smile: I saw one for sale and couldn't remember what one of those larger Amperex tubes would work with the Vali (adapter needed of course).

I would be a little surprised if an adapter existed, both have octal bases but there are a lot of differences lol.
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 12:40 PM Post #5,065 of 6,436
Quick question; So as I try to round out my initial collection of different/odd tubes to give a "rolling through", will those larger Amperex 6AS7G tubes work in the Vali with an adapter? And if so, I'm assuming it would be the same adapter that allows it to run the 6SN7 tubes? (or is my brain mush this morning?)

Thanks in advance for the answer!

Cheers,
Kev
You could consider the following variants of 6SN7 double triode in Vali 2: 6C8G [or VT-163] (octal pins but a different adapter with a separate heater wire); a 7N7 (loctal pins so a different adapter), @bcowen famous Frankie (see https://www.head-fi.org/threads/schiit-lyr-3-tube-rolling-thread.876016/page-84#post-14447101) and then single triodes through dedicated adapters taking twin tubes: 6J5 [or VT-94] octals, and 7A4 [or VT-192] loctals. All adapters can be purchased from e.g. Xuling Audio Labs or elsewhere on ebay. Some of these tubes still can be found for a fraction of costs of the good 6SN7. Then of course there are Russian 6SV7 analogues, 6H8C Fotons of 1951 and MELZ 1578 of similar years (caveat emptor - lots of fake ones around), and, once you have adapter for twin octals, Russian 6C2C and 6C5C fit in place of 6J5.
 
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Jan 9, 2020 at 12:45 PM Post #5,066 of 6,436
You could consider the following variants of 6SN7 double triode in Vali 2: 6C8G [or VT-163] (octal pins but a different adapter with a separate heater wire); a 7N7 (loctal pins so a different adapter), @bcowen famous Frankie (see https://www.head-fi.org/threads/schiit-lyr-3-tube-rolling-thread.876016/page-84#post-14447101) and then single triods through dedicated adapters taking twin tubes: 6J5 [or VT-94] octals, and 7A4 [or VT-192] loctals. All adapters can be purchased from e.g. Xuling Audio Labs or elsewhere on ebay. Some of these tubes still can be found for a fraction of costs of the good 6SN7.

Thanks SO much, Donkey! I will check out these links and info - appreciate the tips!:thumbsup:
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 1:48 PM Post #5,067 of 6,436
(I apologize in advance is asking stuff here is repetitive/old news - but checking through 300+ pages of the thread is a bit much at this point; I can only hope that perhaps other newbs see some of these answers and it helps them out as well!)

So, in looking at the 6SN7 variants, specifically the 6C8G tubes (the ones with the separate heater wire); I would need to stack, i'm guessing, a socket saver to clear the Vali body), then a 6922-6SN7 adapter onto that and then the 6C8G-6SN7 adapter on top of THAT, right? LOL!

Gee, I can't see HOW this whole "tube rolling" deal gets addictive or anything!

-Kev
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 1:59 PM Post #5,068 of 6,436
(I apologize in advance is asking stuff here is repetitive/old news - but checking through 300+ pages of the thread is a bit much at this point; I can only hope that perhaps other newbs see some of these answers and it helps them out as well!)

So, in looking at the 6SN7 variants, specifically the 6C8G tubes (the ones with the separate heater wire); I would need to stack, i'm guessing, a socket saver to clear the Vali body), then a 6922-6SN7 adapter onto that and then the 6C8G-6SN7 adapter on top of THAT, right? LOL!

Gee, I can't see HOW this whole "tube rolling" deal gets addictive or anything!

-Kev
You can also get into single triode tubes that preceded 6sn7's (dual triode).6j5 pairs.jpg There are Loctal as well as octal versions.
 
Jan 9, 2020 at 4:49 PM Post #5,070 of 6,436
So, in looking at the 6SN7 variants, specifically the 6C8G tubes (the ones with the separate heater wire); I would need to stack, i'm guessing, a socket saver to clear the Vali body), then a 6922-6SN7 adapter onto that and then the 6C8G-6SN7 adapter on top of THAT, right? LOL!

Gee, I can't see HOW this whole "tube rolling" deal gets addictive or anything!

-Kev
Depends. Socket saver - yes. There are adapters from 6C8G directly to 6922. For the twin octals and loctals, I have direct from 2 x 6J5 to 6922, but need to use 6SN7 to 6922 for 2 x 7A4 to 6SN7.
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