V-MODA M-100: Discussion/Feedback, Reviews, Pics, etc.
Oct 19, 2012 at 6:02 PM Post #8,311 of 23,366
^ That is why I have started to enjoy harder clamping, yet comfortable headphones such as M-Audio Q40, I can wear these ALL DAY long which I often do, come home, go to comp, put headphones on, headphones stays on, whether I've playing some audio or not (actually it blocks a significant amount of noise from my comp fans so it's a benefit that way). I never need to adjust the headphones on my head due to the harder clamping the cups kinda hold up the headphones on my head and the headband is just gently resting on the head.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 6:04 PM Post #8,312 of 23,366
I think my head's made of rock because I can wear the DT1350's for quite an extended period of time, but I'm having absolutely no comfort issues with my M-100's. I might be wearing them a bit loose on a larger setting though, I'm not quite sure.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM Post #8,313 of 23,366
Did anyone else still waiting for shipment get this e-mail?
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Dear Customer,

Thank you for your continued patience with the M-100 pre-order. We are finalizing our tests to make sure your headphone is up to strict quality standards and it will be sent to you shortly. With your pre-order you were to receive a boomPRO cable but, unfortunately, we are currently backlogged and will not be unable to send one. As an alternative we would like to give you the option to choose between the following options

  1. A different cable (cable options at http://v-moda.com/cables/)
  2. A Remix in-ear headphone (colors available - Gunmetal Black, Rouge Red, Chrome, Blush Pink)
  3. Wait for the boomPro cables (please note, this could take 4-8 weeks)

Please send in your choice along with your order number to customs@v-moda.com and we will be happy to take care of it for you. We look forward to hearing from you and sincerely apologize for the inconvenience.

Thank you,
V-MODA Six Star Team

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Getting a extra cable, if the boomPRO the same price.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 6:25 PM Post #8,314 of 23,366
The M100's are a bit too big for me on the smallest setting so I'm putting a gray cloth between the headband and my head, this increases comfort and I wore them all day today and the only complaint I've stumbled upon is the heat, these get WAY hotter than my m80's. 
 
Also, I bought the VoIP adapter today and it coft me around $8. It only works if I put it in the computer audio and computer mic. If I put it in the computer mic and then the FiiO E17 for sound, the buzzing is there and the mic doesn't work. Bummer. At least now I can use the mic, although at the cost of no amp possibility.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 6:26 PM Post #8,315 of 23,366
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Regarding earpads, I can confidently confirm that the M-100 earpads are slightly different from those of the LP/LP2's. The size of the ear holes seem to be about the same in height, the M-100 seems to be a bit smaller in length, and the thickness of the padding of the M-100's pads seems larger. The firmness and materials of the pads are also different. The M-100's pads feel much more pliable and less stiff than that of the LP/LP2's and the material seems to be smoother in texture (the LP/LP2's materials seems rougher in comparison).



 
Okay, wrote a quick message in to V-MODA Service about the pad mixup, and this is their response.
 
Quote: David @ V-MODA Customer Service
Hello,
 
We've been reading your posts, and we are glad you wrote in. White M-100 pads don't exist yet. When the pre-order was first put up, there should not have been an option to change the ear pad color. This was corrected, but some orders got through with a color change. Since the order was placed with white ear pads, we went ahead and included the white ones as an extra set.
 
Currently, we don't know if there are plans for M-100 white pads. It is best to inquire with Val on Head-Fi to get any details on the future of those. If you have any other questions, please let us know.
 
Rock On,
David
V-MODA Customer Service
http://www.v-moda.com

 

So - Val. 
 
Do you know what is going to happen for those of us who were lucky enough to get extra pads, but unlucky enough for them to be LP pads? What is the situation with the bigger, thicker pads? Both designs I have in mind need white pads, both my current black shields, and the blue shields I have in mind. Any word on this is appreciated.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 6:40 PM Post #8,316 of 23,366
Hi all, here's my first serious attempt at a headphone first impressions. Please be kind :)
 
Background
I feel that to make use of my subjective opinions, it's good to know what my headphone use case is.
 
I've now owned the M-100 for five days and feel that's long enough to write the obvious stuff out of the way. I've listened to them mainly at work in a noisy office environment and that's also my use case. My sound sources have been Mac laptops and an iPhone 4S, all un-amped. Materials have been a few FLAC albums but mostly Spotify high rates and good quality podcasts. I mainly focus on various genres of EDM or music with electronic components in general.
 
My past headphones are in the cheaper spectrum with various 50-150€ headphones and in-ears. Mostly they end up breaking down and then I buy new ones (four pairs of Porta-Pros and counting…). From V-Moda I've previously owned/still own a Vibe Duo in-ear, Remix Remote in-ear and Crossfade LP (first one, Nero model). As you might notice this puts my sonic taste in the dark side with emphasis in sub-bass. I do love my dubstep.
 
As a further reference I use my Genelec 6010a + 5040a 2.1 active desktop monitors driven by a Cambridge Audio DACMagic. While not a headphone an thus not directly comparable, I feel that gives me some experience in what stuff should sound like. Also I've seen many Head-Fiers own Genelecs so maybe that a useful comparison for some.
 
Design & Build (design porn ahead, NSFW!)
 
 

My M-100 Shadow with dark purple custom shields on. / iPhone 4S + Snapseed
 
This has been covered so well that I don't want to iterate what everyone says more that this: it's very, very solid. It feels every bit as sturdy as the original Crossfade LP and that headphone has travelled with me for quite some time now to pretty much everywhere with less than careful treatment. I notice a few improvements in materials over the old model, tho. The one I want to highlight is the very good coating on metal parts that feels nice to touch and reflects light in just the right way to feel sturdy and luxurious at the same time.
 
Compared to the LPs the headband is more flexible sideways. That makes it easier to listen to only with one earcup on; something I do quite a lot while working and talking to others. Very unexpected and pleasant surprise there.
 
Overall this looks and feels like an Apple style product with clear design intent behind everything and a very nice eye for the smallest details. Since focusing on details is also what I do for a living, here's a few defects/minor design "bugs" that I've noticed. Sorry for the unideal pictures, I don't have a macro lens and these details are tiny!
 
 

What's that glue(?) doing in my volume selector?
 
The first thing I noticed before even opening the M100 package was this small defect in my boom mic cable volume selector. There seems to be some grey solid stuff in my volume selection wheel and parts of it are deformed like after a hit with some sharp tool. Picture aggressively sharpened to make it easier to see. Luckily it's only visual and doesn't affect function in any way. This extra glue(?) also forces the part to turn in a weird manner like a bent bike wheel and that mainly gives a cheap feel when looking at it. The is a very big contras to the quality of the headphones itself but something I would totally expect in a generic made-in-China plastic product.
 
 

Misaligned red stitching.
 
The red stitching is not completely straight. Normally I wouldn't care but since everything else about the headphones is very symmetrical and perfectly curved, this feels like it breaks the pattern. Definitely not something I'd expect anyone else I know to even notice but now I have a hard time ignoring it.
 
 

Custom shields closeup, normal exposure and processing.
 
 

Custom shields closeup, under exposed and extreme mid contrast.
 
I really love the shields, but with a drawback. I'm very anal about details in logos and there are two minuses in how the laser engraving turned out here:
 
Firstly, when looking reaaaally close the outlines are not perfectly even lines, but rather a bit jagged. You can't see it in the pictures above because I couldn't focus close enough. I'd expect this to be because of how the laser has engraved thin horisontal lines and each line is ever so subtly different in length. Nobody else has pointed this out yet, even the guys who designed this logo, so it's not too obvious. Still, I'd recommend shield designs with line art instead of solid surfaces for better results.
 
Second, and to me the bigger drawback, is how there are two stripes around the "W" but inside the white circle in my logo. You can see this in the heavily processed (darker) image above where I emphasized luminance differences. As you can see it is not visible to my 7D in the normal version of the same pic and thus not so easy to see in real life either. Under normal conditions the stripes can be clearly seen when looking at the shields in neutral uncolored light but become almost invisible to anything but the closest inspection in normal tungsten home lighting. I would assume these stripes come from bending the shield to the right curved shape.
 
To many this may sound completely alien nit picking, but some people may be interested in how accurately their designs are represented on the shields. I would personally give 4 out of 5 stars on these and rate good enough for anything except the most accurate requirements.
 
Also I mentioned earlier in this thread that I was asked to switch my red shields to another color because of shortages. Well, I actually ended up getting two extra sets, both red and the purple ones you see here! Some logistical problem that ended up in my benefit :)
 
 

Very small molding imperfection highlighted in the light reflection.
 
Okay and finally a super small imperfection on both sides of both audio jacks. Again in this heavily processed pic you can see an uneven shape inside the light reflection. That's some uneven plastic that is very hard to see but easy to feel. Again nothing to even mention to normal people, but I always end up noticing this when handling the headphones and "feeling" the design. Breaks what are otherwise perfect shapes.
 
There are a few other extremely small details that I could mention as odd ones, but I can't get a decent photo of them so let's just wrap up saying that I only find more perfect industrial design and manufacturing in selected Apple and Genelec products.
 
Fit / Isolation / Leakage
 
Physically I've always had a problem with the LPs not being deep enough for my ears. The outer edge of my ear touches the driver housing and irritates pretty badly after some hours of listening. This hasn't been a critical issue for me so far because, as Val pointed out, that's when you should take a break anyway. Doesn't help in planes, tho. I can already feel the headband forming to fit my head and I'd expect them to become very comfortable soon, like the LPs did before.
 
Sound isolation feels very similar to LPs, so good. I can hear loud sounds as very muted and non-distracting while listening on normal volume (~6% volume on a Mac, so very easy to drive!). I can still identify if someone walks right next to me and starts talking to me, but only barely. This, to me, is excellent.
 
Similarly listening on volume is dead silent for others as far as leakage goes. If I crank it up to unpleasantly loud, people within a meter from me in a silent room can hear something, but not identify a song. Definitely a non-issue anywhere with any background noise.
 
Sound
 
The first thing I did with the headphones was use the share play cable to plug both the original LP and M-100 to my work MBA at the same time. Before doing this I had on purpose spent a few hours listening to some of my favorite trance podcasts (Trance Around the World) to soak up the LP sound sig. With that in my mind, switching to the M-100 directly out of the box was… very good! Immediately the same music felt much more articulating, and very bright in comparison.
 
At this point it's good to mention that I don't actually like bright headphones. Open cans like Sennheiser's upper range actually physically hurt my ears with their highs. It feels like thin needles piercing my head. So with this context I was actually feeling a bit worried after the first few seconds of listening. I switched away from trance and whipped up Daft Punk – The Grid. I was immediately and positively blown away by the quality! Excellent separation in the low bass line, vocals and main synth and really good dynamics with quiet background strings being clearly audible with the strong melody in front.
 
I had very similar results with other movie soundtracks and songs with great mixing. Already after some minutes of listening the LPs felt very dark, confined and dull in comparison. I'm not going to even talk about the Remix Remote that has similar results comparing to the LP.
 
It's not all perfect, tho. As mentioned earlier, I'm a basshead by heart and spoiled by V-Moda's earlier products. I noticed that some tracks are simply not as much fun with the M-100. As an example Skrillex – First Of The Year - Equinox sounds very sharp and bright with the M-100. For sure the mix is far from perfect and feels confined and compressed in dynamics but when listened to with the LPs, the sheer amount and pressure of bass washes your brains away. Similarly Deadmau5 – Superliminal actually sounds kind of annoying with the M-100 and causes listening fatigue for me after only a minute or so. With the LPs I remember being completely floored by the same track because it felt like the bass line was trying to violently rape my brain and then charge money for it.
 
At the moment I don't have an easy access to an amp but I'm very curious to evaluate some in case they could strengthen the bass for me to enjoy those very prolific tracks.
 
I still want to emphasize that I'm extremely pleased with the sound of these headphones. For what they lack in my usage in EDM sub-bass, they clearly win multiple times over in other genres. I'm absolutely amazed at how good the Borderlands 2 OST sounds, specifically tracks like Hyperion and Lynchwood (no links, sorry). I had a religious moment while listening to The Dark Knight Rises OST by Hans Zimmer because of what kind of strength the M-100 can portray in sounds across the spectrum simultaneously.
 
Out of all things I'm the most surprised by how in the past few days I've already picked new details in songs I thought I know very well. The slow intro in Stromae – Silence has more nuanced reverb modulation than I've previously noticed. Infected Mushroom – Poquito Mas has similar very delicate modulation and reverbs that I now appreciate even more than before and can listen to again with fresh ears. Lighthearted Finnish jamming music like Reino & The Rhinos – Kuivaa sun kyyneleet sounds suddenly almost twice as good because of the extremely accurate stereo imaging that previously went largely unnoticed. I could continue for a long time!
 
tl;dr
 
As the bottom line these headphones make me feel like acoustically treating our rooms to try and tune my Genelecs to have the same awesome sound. It's that good. I'm going to keep my eye on mobile friendly DACs that could have a tweakable bass boost for certain genres. The upcoming VAMP maybe?
 
If blue-ray movies+hardware is worth your money, then so are these for the same reason.
 
I haven't yet had the chance to do gaming and VOIP with the boom mic in action. I'll post some experiences if there's anything noteworthy there, but not expecting anything extra special.
 
Thanks Val & team for an amazing product!
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 7:19 PM Post #8,317 of 23,366
Cool, Genelecs can't be beaten as monitors at the price for bassdriven music production, like 75% of established hardstyle producers for example seems to swear by them. haha
 
Maybe you should just look into an amp with bass boost options for your M100, digiZoid ZO is always an option for example at 32-level bass boost adjustment so you can make it exactly as you want it. xD No idea how it pairs with M100 though, craigster seems to confirm at least FiiO E11 working pretty good but it has only 2 bass boost settings but it might be enough too.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 7:34 PM Post #8,318 of 23,366
Hey guys,
So for this newest M-100 pre-order that states that the product will ship "within 60 days", is there a good chance that they'll be sent out early? As in <30 days?
 
I'd really like to purchase a pair, but I'm not sure if it would be more time (and cost)-effective to wait for the Amazon release.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 7:47 PM Post #8,319 of 23,366
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Alright guys, hope my very early findings are well received. I've copied and posted whats below from my Audio Journal in the other M-100 thread. So far I'm glad I bought the M-100 and I'm looking forward to further experimenting with gear and seeing if it will respond for the better. I came to all these very early observations using an iPod 64 GB 3rd gen, Fiio L9 LOD connector, and ALO RX MKII in low gain. Again these are very early first impressions which were arrived at after only a few short hours and a limited amount of music thrown at the can. Over the next few weeks some of these observations could/will change. Hope you guys enjoy the read feel free to ask any questions you like.
 

 
+1. I also have the Rx MkII, so this review was very helpful. I think the M80 pairs better with the Sony Walkman (Z Series) than IPOD Classic. Somehow, the M80 sounds fuller, smoother and warmer, especially the mids, on the Walkman. Add the Rx MkII to the mix (and a LOD) and the sound is cleaner, the bass punchier and the soundstage ...well, less congested. I can't wait to try the M100 and compare it to the AH-D5000 and Q40 which both sound ridiculously good with the Walkman/Rx MkII combo.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM Post #8,320 of 23,366
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Hey guys,
So for this newest M-100 pre-order that states that the product will ship "within 60 days", is there a good chance that they'll be sent out early? As in <30 days?
 
I'd really like to purchase a pair, but I'm not sure if it would be more time (and cost)-effective to wait for the Amazon release.

My M-100's that I placed an order for 3 days ago already shipped  
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 so I am pretty sure if you order now, they will ship soon.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 8:12 PM Post #8,321 of 23,366
Guys, don't feed the troll. His user name of choice explains a lot why he's here. Just ignore him and the next time a MOD checks the thread he/she will delete his post and we won't have to read his thread pollution again.
 
 
The term purr is just slang for bass rumble. Basically the mid and sub bass is detailed enough that when the deep lows are hit, for example a bass drum, the lows will rumble. Another example, watch a movie wearing headphones where there's a scene with a avalanche. That deep thick sound as the millions of rocks rumble along is the easiest example I can give. Now that i think of it that sounds like a perfect test for bass extension.
 




Thank you for the response, so with just a low grade amp ex. ipod. The purr wouldn't be as present as with a better grade amp ex. Fiio E11?
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 8:22 PM Post #8,322 of 23,366
Thank you for the response, so with just a low grade amp ex. ipod. The purr wouldn't be as present as with a better grade amp ex. Fiio E11?


With an iPod the purring wouldn't happen at all. You would still get the punch of the bass but you just wouldn't get the really deep rumble. If you don't listen to a ton of Electronic or bassy music you wouldn't miss much. But if you do I would recommend an amp.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 8:26 PM Post #8,323 of 23,366
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With an iPod the purring wouldn't happen at all. You would still get the punch of the bass but you just wouldn't get the really deep rumble. If you don't listen to a ton of Electronic or bassy music you wouldn't miss much. But if you do I would recommend an amp.

I get purring on my iPod Touch 5G. It's not as much as I would get with an amp, but seeing as I rather have portability than purr on most occasions, I'm fine with that. That + I haven't seen amps for iPhone or iPod 5G's.
 
Oct 19, 2012 at 8:34 PM Post #8,324 of 23,366
I get purring on my iPod Touch 5G. It's not as much as I would get with an amp, but seeing as I rather have portability than purr on most occasions, I'm fine with that. That + I haven't seen amps for iPhone or iPod 5G's.


Hmm I will have to test it with my friends iPhone 5 as I don't get purring with the 4.

And about the amp comment I meant like a E11 or Zo2. I'm not quite sure there are any amps that are specifically designed for the IPhone or IPod that are cheap. The only amp for the iphone i can actually think of is the VAMP but that's $600 or so.
 

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