[OCC7N]

The PS Audio Stellar P3 is on sale through the end of August. The OP would need to stretch his budget just a little bit.

Can you link to some convincing information, real experience?

 

[pippen99]

I have had a P3 in my system for two years. Upon installation I immediately experienced a blacker background. It also reduced the hum of my tube amp. It did not banish it but reduced it. I tried to link the PS Audio product page but it would not allow me. The P3 is currently reduced considerably and recommended by me.

 

[ThanatosVI]

Can you link to some convincing information, real experience?

I have had a P3 in my system for two years. Upon installation I immediately experienced a blacker background. It also reduced the hum of my tube amp. It did not banish it but reduced it. I tried to link the PS Audio product page but it would not allow me. The P3 is currently reduced considerably and recommended by me.

I second that. Using it in my high end system and it makes a BIG difference.

In many cases bigger than if one had spent the money to upgrade dac and amp some more.

The most convincing information is trying it for yourself, the difference is immediately noteable.
However this is some real experience from me

 

[iFi audio]

I second that. Using it in my high end system and it makes a BIG difference.

Yup, that's about the size of a difference efficient power components make, not only conditioners.

 

[OCC7N]

I can get a really good deal on the iFi Powerstation.

But the problem is that I want something that makes it better than using nothing.

Anybody experience with this iFi Powerstation that feels like it alters the sound too much or?

I also looked at Supra md06dc sp. Which has non intrusive filter. This sounds like it does not do anything harm to the sound.


(I am going for PS Stellar Powerplant 3 next year)

 

[iFi audio]

But the problem is that I want something that makes it better than using nothing.

Let me put it this way: if you don't have any such product now, you may ready yourself for a pleasant surprise after getting PowerStation. it's an active product that to some folks sounds like a power conditioner

 

[OCC7N]

Let me put it this way: if you don't have any such product now, you may ready yourself for a pleasant surprise after getting PowerStation. it's an active product that to some folks sounds like a power conditioner

Ok. Besides the well build quality it is not just a powerstrip with a ac purifier?

Also does it prevent dc offset?

 

[OCC7N]

Let me put it this way: if you don't have any such product now, you may ready yourself for a pleasant surprise after getting PowerStation. it's an active product that to some folks sounds like a power conditioner

I hope you can help. I just ordered:

iFi Powerstation
iFi DC Blocker
iFi Elite 5V/5A

iFi DC Blocker is only helpful for filtering DC out, which helps on preventing transformer noise... but also DC Offset right?

I am thinking of using mine on a headamp.

 

[iFi audio]

Ok. Besides the well build quality it is not just a powerstrip with a ac purifier?

We're aware of no power strip other than ours that would actively measure, reverse and inject noise to cancel it

iFi Powerstation
iFi DC Blocker
iFi Elite 5V/5A

That looks correct

iFi DC Blocker is only helpful for filtering DC out, which helps on preventing transformer noise... but also DC Offset right?

Our DC Blocker was designed to remove any DC offset and thus prevent transformer hum. If that's what you're experiencing, DC Blocker should help out

 

[LostHisMarbles]

Perhaps rather than indicating brands and models i could help a bit in terms of approach?
Without getting too technical and hopefully without stepping on any company's toes, because 'sponsors';

There are passive and active power "distributors"/"conditioners". Nomenclature is alas "up to" the manufacturer; with all this entails, yes.
Within each of these two categories, you have two subcategories, 'filtered' and 'unfiltered'.

Generally speaking, you need to avoid active power "distributors"/"conditioners". They add more than they subtract, i'll leave it there.
* systems being individual, there may be that case scenario where what's added is of benefit to you. Even such a happy occurence however indicates you have power sourcing issues, you have bad mixing of components power sourcing, bad components themselves, (source, amp, et al.), or a combination thereof. Never patch, in the end it's money wasted. You reach this stage, conditioners, you already have a proper signal chain; or should.
** Never add to your signal chain so as to 'fix' or 'lessen' an issue. Focus first on isolating where it stems from, secondly on eliminating it altogether.

Generally speaking, you need thus stick to passive ones. After the above, reasoning being hopefully obvious.
Since however we have two categories here as well:

Dirty sources, ie anything with a power switching supply should be generally:
- isolated entirely from our signal chain, aka all the way from the wall plug to the actual component.
- have its power cord plugged into a 'filtered' distributor.
* you start thinking this way, ie the right way, you're going to get a touch disappointed perhaps, though at least finally on the right path. Switching power supplies is a very, very understated issue and no surprise either as most manufacturers use them to save up on money, but 'neglect' to mention it anywhere in their advertising.

Sources that aren't dirty, say -ideally- a nice class A amplifier should generally:
- draw from the same power source (aka not mixed with dirty); same as in you can bundle them all together if the wattage of your distributor can handle them.
- have their power cords plugged into an 'unfiltered' distributor.

In either situation, if your total wattage exceeds that of a single distributor, you need daisy chain more with ideally the exact same power cord used anywhere else.
Helps in consistency, helps in sanity of mind; most 'experiments' i see here are outcomes of mixing things up.
Have purposefully used terms you can Google if a more technical analysis is to your liking. You will -quite unsurprisingly- find there are actually precious few brands that offer the right ones

 

[dougms3]

Perhaps rather than indicating brands and models i could help a bit in terms of approach?
Without getting too technical and hopefully without stepping on any company's toes, because 'sponsors';

There are passive and active power "distributors"/"conditioners". Nomenclature is alas "up to" the manufacturer; with all this entails, yes.
Within each of these two categories, you have two subcategories, 'filtered' and 'unfiltered'.

Generally speaking, you need to avoid active power "distributors"/"conditioners". They add more than they subtract, i'll leave it there.
* systems being individual, there may be that case scenario where what's added is of benefit to you. Even such a happy occurence however indicates you have power sourcing issues, you have bad mixing of components power sourcing, bad components themselves, (source, amp, et al.), or a combination thereof. Never patch, in the end it's money wasted. You reach this stage, conditioners, you already have a proper signal chain; or should.
** Never add to your signal chain so as to 'fix' or 'lessen' an issue. Focus first on isolating where it stems from, secondly on eliminating it altogether.

Generally speaking, you need thus stick to passive ones. After the above, reasoning being hopefully obvious.
Since however we have two categories here as well:

Dirty sources, ie anything with a power switching supply should be generally:
- isolated entirely from our signal chain, aka all the way from the wall plug to the actual component.
- have its power cord plugged into a 'filtered' distributor.
* you start thinking this way, ie the right way, you're going to get a touch disappointed perhaps, though at least finally on the right path. Switching power supplies is a very, very understated issue and no surprise either as most manufacturers use them to save up on money, but 'neglect' to mention it anywhere in their advertising.

Sources that aren't dirty, say -ideally- a nice class A amplifier should generally:
- draw from the same power source (aka not mixed with dirty); same as in you can bundle them all together if the wattage of your distributor can handle them.
- have their power cords plugged into an 'unfiltered' distributor.

In either situation, if your total wattage exceeds that of a single distributor, you need daisy chain more with ideally the exact same power cord used anywhere else.
Helps in consistency, helps in sanity of mind; most 'experiments' i see here are outcomes of mixing things up.
Have purposefully used terms you can Google if a more technical analysis is to your liking. You will -quite unsurprisingly- find there are actually precious few brands that offer the right ones

I totally agree with everything you said there, I'm not a fan of the active filters either. I have experienced how they have degraded my system.

At one point, I was just going to make my own power conditioner but considering the cost of the duplexes and high quality wire, it went out of my budget so I settled for a basic power conditioner in the furutech etp80 until the right time comes

 

[OCC7N]

Well I got the powerstation for a good deal. Im good try it....also trying to make a recording of the system. I will share my finding in the next couple of months.

 

[LostHisMarbles]

@dougms3 Furutech power conditioners are just exceptional, i recommend them period, regardless of system or budget.
Without the slightest intention to offend or annoy you, i'd also humbly add that you wouldn't have managed to achieve anything similar - accoustics, end result - on your own; by going DIY about it i mean. Can't go into detail, but a big part of the auditory difference is owed to a proprietary material; you can't get that. If you need more, buy more when budget allows for it.
Since you have the 80, you probably only need a couple of 60s at worst to complete your entire chain; if you need a separate filtered chain, buy one 60 and one of these, you're going to be surprised by the outcome:
https://www.audiophonics.fr/en/powe...c-1501-r-main-filter-gold-plated-p-15494.html
Wall plugs too; they're worth it.

 

[OCC7N]

Nice keep em coming.

 

[LostHisMarbles]

Nice keep em coming

Will take the liberty and asume this is addressed to me, lol
* and humble apologies if i'm in error! *

I meant what i said, recommending them to all my clients, regardless of budget.
The only extra recommendation i can add (presumption being this is what the "keep them coming" refers to) is for really, really big pockets unfortunately:
https://www.transparentcable.com/products/opus-power-isolator
If you can't afford that, my personal/professional advice would be to stick to the Furutech passive conditioners and call it a day. Be you rich or poor, analog or digital sourced, of this or that a musical flavour, doesn't matter.
Since one may wonder, cheaper Transparent solutions aren't recommended because they belong in previous 'generations' of Transparent products; they started one way and went another at some time, but that's a long story and not one i'm comfortable sharing online.

Can honestly not add another option that isn't with drawbacks, aka meant for 'tailored' solutions.

Is it generally worth it? Yes and yes.
Yes, a proper power sourcing chain is of import (and that includes cables mind).
Yes, that Opus will be an eye opener.