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I take it that Edition 9 is a step up from my Zu Mobius HD650. I haven't been able to locate an Edition 9 dealer in Australia though. Might have to order one from America.
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Depends on whom you ask and setup.
| Originally Posted by Audio-Omega /img/forum/go_quote.gif I take it that Edition 9 is a step up from my Zu Mobius HD650. |
Depends on whom you ask and setup.
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A matter of preference, I personally would not consider the HD650 unless balanced, and with a good aftermarket cable, even though the laid back nature for the kind of music I hear, will put it always in the back sit, the Editions have alwyas pleased me even out of a protable...THe HD650 could shine, and be a really top notch heapdhone, but needs a lot fo help!!!!
| Originally Posted by Audio-Omega /img/forum/go_quote.gif I take it that Edition 9 is a step up from my Zu Mobius HD650. I haven't been able to locate an Edition 9 dealer in Australia though. Might have to order one from America. |
A matter of preference, I personally would not consider the HD650 unless balanced, and with a good aftermarket cable, even though the laid back nature for the kind of music I hear, will put it always in the back sit, the Editions have alwyas pleased me even out of a protable...THe HD650 could shine, and be a really top notch heapdhone, but needs a lot fo help!!!!
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I wouldn't say edition 9s are better than hd650s. Taken in a vacuum they're better, but if you know what the music is supposed to sound like, not so much.
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The problem is that you may know how the music is supposed to sound like, if you are a musician, but what you will never know, is how the recording of that music, which is a recreation of this event, by a human being behind a console, with preferences, personal taste, and gear limitations, is supposed to sound like...
| Originally Posted by grawk /img/forum/go_quote.gif I wouldn't say edition 9s are better than hd650s. Taken in a vacuum they're better, but if you know what the music is supposed to sound like, not so much. |
The problem is that you may know how the music is supposed to sound like, if you are a musician, but what you will never know, is how the recording of that music, which is a recreation of this event, by a human being behind a console, with preferences, personal taste, and gear limitations, is supposed to sound like...
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If you had bought HF-1s you could almost double your money.
I just wish I was around when it came out. $200 is a much nicer price then $330 - $370.
| Originally Posted by Audio-Omega /img/forum/go_quote.gif A limited edition headphones is a good investment ?! |
If you had bought HF-1s you could almost double your money.
I just wish I was around when it came out. $200 is a much nicer price then $330 - $370.
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i don't see what the big deal is with these headphones (besides its collectible aspect). are they not just SR225 headphones but with a wooden driver housing and a little button that says "HF-1". either way, save your money for an RS1/RS2.
| Originally Posted by Corbet /img/forum/go_quote.gif If you had bought HF-1s you could almost double your money. I just wish I was around when it came out. $200 is a much nicer price then $330 - $370.
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i don't see what the big deal is with these headphones (besides its collectible aspect). are they not just SR225 headphones but with a wooden driver housing and a little button that says "HF-1". either way, save your money for an RS1/RS2.
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See, that's the problem. I'm not a musician. But I did used to be a taper. And i have many recordings I made myself. I know EXACTLY what they're supposed to sound like. I spent an awful lot of money (considerably more than for my headphone setup) on my recording gear to make sure I captured what I was hearing (or what I'd be hearing if I was 12 ft above the crowd, in the sweet spot). So my listening environment has to come close to that, or I notice.
| Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif The problem is that you may know how the music is supposed to sound like, if you are a musician, but what you will never know, is how the recording of that music, which is a recreation of this event, by a human being behind a console, with preferences, personal taste, and gear limitations, is supposed to sound like... |
See, that's the problem. I'm not a musician. But I did used to be a taper. And i have many recordings I made myself. I know EXACTLY what they're supposed to sound like. I spent an awful lot of money (considerably more than for my headphone setup) on my recording gear to make sure I captured what I was hearing (or what I'd be hearing if I was 12 ft above the crowd, in the sweet spot). So my listening environment has to come close to that, or I notice.
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No, they're not 225s with a wooden driver housing and button. That's been repeatedly confirmed. The drivers are different. I prefer my (woodied) hf1s to RS1s, 225s, PS1s, PS3000s, PF1s, etc.
| Originally Posted by vcoheda /img/forum/go_quote.gif i don't see what the big deal is with these headphones (besides its collectible aspect). are they not just SR225 headphones but with a wooden driver housing and a little button that says "HF-1". either way, save your money for an RS1/RS2. |
No, they're not 225s with a wooden driver housing and button. That's been repeatedly confirmed. The drivers are different. I prefer my (woodied) hf1s to RS1s, 225s, PS1s, PS3000s, PF1s, etc.
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Sorry, but that is impossible, and nobody will never know for sure 100%, how a recoding is suposed to sound like, not even if you made them, simply as that. The final result depends on a few more factors that are beyond your knowledge and your hands as well, how about the quality of the tape, brand, bias eq of the recording machine, eq of the head preamp of the recorder, etc...Using different brands of tapes wil give you different results even if the are are the same type...using different production dates the same....
I use to record as well, and i know how these little details could change the result as well...
| Originally Posted by grawk /img/forum/go_quote.gif See, that's the problem. I'm not a musician. But I did used to be a taper. And i have many recordings I made myself. I know EXACTLY what they're supposed to sound like. I spent an awful lot of money (considerably more than for my headphone setup) on my recording gear to make sure I captured what I was hearing (or what I'd be hearing if I was 12 ft above the crowd, in the sweet spot). So my listening environment has to come close to that, or I notice. |
Sorry, but that is impossible, and nobody will never know for sure 100%, how a recoding is suposed to sound like, not even if you made them, simply as that. The final result depends on a few more factors that are beyond your knowledge and your hands as well, how about the quality of the tape, brand, bias eq of the recording machine, eq of the head preamp of the recorder, etc...Using different brands of tapes wil give you different results even if the are are the same type...using different production dates the same....
I use to record as well, and i know how these little details could change the result as well...
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Not sure how that's germane to the conversation at hand, tho. When listening to my recordings, some headphones get me closer to what I heard at the time than others. I stand by my observation that the edition 9 doesn't get me there. You're free to feel differently, or to tweak your entire environment to get you there, and I won't think less of you for that.
| Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sorry, but that is impossible, and nobody will never know for sure 100%, how a recoding is suposed to sound like, not even if you made them, simply as that. The final result depends on a few more factors that are beyond your knowledge and your hands as well, how about the quality of the tape, brand, bias eq of the recording machine, eq of the head preamp of the recorder, etc...Using different brands of tapes wil give you different results even if the are are the same type...using different production dates the same.... I use to record as well, and i know how these little details could change the result as well... |
Not sure how that's germane to the conversation at hand, tho. When listening to my recordings, some headphones get me closer to what I heard at the time than others. I stand by my observation that the edition 9 doesn't get me there. You're free to feel differently, or to tweak your entire environment to get you there, and I won't think less of you for that.
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The Edition 9 is not perfect, of course, but the L3000 is a way too far for me, from what I consider a natural sound...
| Originally Posted by grawk /img/forum/go_quote.gif Not sure how that's germane to the conversation at hand, tho. When listening to my recordings, some headphones get me closer to what I heard at the time than others. I stand by my observation that the edition 9 doesn't get me there. You're free to feel differently, or to tweak your entire environment to get you there, and I won't think less of you for that. |
The Edition 9 is not perfect, of course, but the L3000 is a way too far for me, from what I consider a natural sound...
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Also consider the very weak dollar, 1500 pounds isn't that bad. There's probably money to be made these days for US head-fiers by selling internationally.
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Of the He90/O1/L3000/Edition 9, I would say that the last is the farthest away from what I perceive as natural...
I guess everyone has different ears. Anyone else?
| Originally Posted by Sovkiller /img/forum/go_quote.gif The Edition 9 is not perfect, of course, but the L3000 is a way too far for me, from what I consider a natural sound... |
Of the He90/O1/L3000/Edition 9, I would say that the last is the farthest away from what I perceive as natural...
I guess everyone has different ears. Anyone else?
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To place the L3000 in that list is a sacrilege!!!! IMO...
Other than the nice construction and look...which I do nosider better than the Editons, (but of course they double the price) So let's agree to disagree here...
Also not sure what experience you have with the Editions, but if you are basing the observations and opinions in a couple of hours audition, it is perfectly understandable for me that opinon. The Editions require a lot of time to get used to the new presentations as stated millions of times here, nobody can hear it two minutes and like them completelly, you will find something weird, specially while comming from Grado (soundstage very narrow) or CD3K and simlars (too wide)...the different presentation makes you listen things in a different way as if you are familiar with them...
After hearing the Editions for some time, and getting used ot the S-logic presetnation, the first thing I notice while listening the others is an unnatural feeling, it seems that I'm very prone to that bloob in the head...
...as side note, as I do needed in the past to use the crossfeed as well, right now I no longer use it, but well I have the S-Logic to compensate a little for that unnatural presentation all headphones gave you...
| Originally Posted by didwlgh /img/forum/go_quote.gif Of the He90/O1/L3000/Edition 9, I would say that the last is the farthest away from what I perceive as natural... I guess everyone has different ears. Anyone else? |
To place the L3000 in that list is a sacrilege!!!! IMO...
Also not sure what experience you have with the Editions, but if you are basing the observations and opinions in a couple of hours audition, it is perfectly understandable for me that opinon. The Editions require a lot of time to get used to the new presentations as stated millions of times here, nobody can hear it two minutes and like them completelly, you will find something weird, specially while comming from Grado (soundstage very narrow) or CD3K and simlars (too wide)...the different presentation makes you listen things in a different way as if you are familiar with them...
After hearing the Editions for some time, and getting used ot the S-logic presetnation, the first thing I notice while listening the others is an unnatural feeling, it seems that I'm very prone to that bloob in the head...
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