Thanks for sharing but it looks really very messy! I don't understand how can this VIVA845 export great sound quality with such a messy line works.
Trafomatic Primavera Initial Impressions
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normie610
Headphoneus Supremus
Maybe their philosophy is “it has to look messy to sound good”
just kiddingLet's get back to Primavera instead of VIVA 845Maybe their philosophy is “it has to look messy to sound good”
I find it matches very well with Abyss 1266 Phi. But not with T+A P...
normie610
Headphoneus Supremus
What do you feel lacking with the Sol P pairing? My 3 headphones sound mesmerizing out of the Primavera.Let's get back to Primavera instead of VIVA 845
And the Primavera matching with the Susvara ?Let's get back to Primavera instead of VIVA 845
I don't have the chance coz I don't own Sus. I tried Sus' bro - OG HE6, the combo goes quite well...
normie610
Headphoneus Supremus
https://soundnews.net/amplifiers/he...o-primavera-review-giving-life-back-to-music/
A quite comprehensive write-up on Primavera and he’s using Susvara as his main headphone. There’s also a youtube video on the above page if you prefer to watch the review video.
normie610
Headphoneus Supremus
For those of you who are interested in seeing internal pics of Primavera, you can find them here:
https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/trafomatic-audio-primavera/
I believe our fellow head-fier @simorag is in the process of reviewing the amp for 6moons.
https://6moons.com/audioreview_articles/trafomatic-audio-primavera/
I believe our fellow head-fier @simorag is in the process of reviewing the amp for 6moons.
normie610
Headphoneus Supremus
Well it seems like Simone has finished his review of Primavera. His findings exactly mirrors mine. You can head over to the link above to read the full review.
ufospls2
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PUBLIC SERVICE ANNOUNCEMENT: FOR ANYONE WHO HAS HAD EXPERIENCE WITH FRED CRANE, FORMER TRAFOMATIC DISTRIBUTOR PLEASE READ THE LINKS BELOW FOR INFORMATION.
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/trafomatic-head-2.719350/page-16#post-17627159
I wanted to be a good person, give Fred the benefit of the doubt and a chance to make people whole, but as usual (his past relationship history with Trafomatic not withstanding) the above post is all lies. I received a notice from a law firm this morning stating Fred Crane has declared bankruptcy. We should all be aware.
I will copy paste a post from whatsbestforum below as it explains the situation better than I can, and this is clearly a much bigger issue I had ever even conceived of.
Please note everything below is quotes from the following link, and not my personal experience. I share this only to help inform others.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/fred-crane-at-prana-distribution-my-personal-audio-journey.34829/
""WARNING!!!!
Hate to have to do this gents but do not do business with Mr Fred Crane and Prana Distribution. Bought a pair of AGD Vivace monos from him a month or so ago and he has vanished basically with a story about his daughter being ill....I originally bought into it in good faith then saw a Yelp review from 2020 from a couple he screwed over.
Then I reached out to Darren O’neil listed above in Nevada.......Well lets just say the good Mr. Crane and Prana Distribution have ripped off a whole slew of industry people and end customers like myself for well north of $1 Million USD......So I don’t feel so bad and thankfully I can easily absorb the loss like many of you fortunate ilk on this website.
But if you see him dumping gear or advertising gear at realy nice prices, run the other direction.....
Darren O’Neil plans to post to this thread to confirm what I have just shared. (I kinda hammered him for not doing it already as his battle with Prana has been going on for months) . Could have saved some people some grief.
Audiolimits
WARNING!!!
I would like to put up a Very big Warning to everyone out there. Please do not send Fred Crane from Prana Distribution any money! He has turned into a very large thief. he has stolen 100’s of thousands of dollars from people out there. Us included
We have taken over the Destination Audio line so if you have questions about Destination Audio products
please contact Destination Audio USA or Darrin at Audio Limits (702)299-0567
Do not contact Fred Crane from Prana Distribution"
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/trafomatic-head-2.719350/page-16#post-17627159
I wanted to be a good person, give Fred the benefit of the doubt and a chance to make people whole, but as usual (his past relationship history with Trafomatic not withstanding) the above post is all lies. I received a notice from a law firm this morning stating Fred Crane has declared bankruptcy. We should all be aware.
I will copy paste a post from whatsbestforum below as it explains the situation better than I can, and this is clearly a much bigger issue I had ever even conceived of.
Please note everything below is quotes from the following link, and not my personal experience. I share this only to help inform others.
https://www.whatsbestforum.com/threads/fred-crane-at-prana-distribution-my-personal-audio-journey.34829/
""WARNING!!!!
Hate to have to do this gents but do not do business with Mr Fred Crane and Prana Distribution. Bought a pair of AGD Vivace monos from him a month or so ago and he has vanished basically with a story about his daughter being ill....I originally bought into it in good faith then saw a Yelp review from 2020 from a couple he screwed over.
Then I reached out to Darren O’neil listed above in Nevada.......Well lets just say the good Mr. Crane and Prana Distribution have ripped off a whole slew of industry people and end customers like myself for well north of $1 Million USD......So I don’t feel so bad and thankfully I can easily absorb the loss like many of you fortunate ilk on this website.
But if you see him dumping gear or advertising gear at realy nice prices, run the other direction.....
Darren O’Neil plans to post to this thread to confirm what I have just shared. (I kinda hammered him for not doing it already as his battle with Prana has been going on for months) . Could have saved some people some grief.
Audiolimits
Industry Expert
WARNING!!!
I would like to put up a Very big Warning to everyone out there. Please do not send Fred Crane from Prana Distribution any money! He has turned into a very large thief. he has stolen 100’s of thousands of dollars from people out there. Us included
We have taken over the Destination Audio line so if you have questions about Destination Audio products
please contact Destination Audio USA or Darrin at Audio Limits (702)299-0567
Do not contact Fred Crane from Prana Distribution"
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Pale Rider
1000+ Head-Fier
Very 6moons. Why settle for a glass of Pinot when a bottle will do just fine?
Anyway, I enjoyed the review, though not nearly as much as I continue to enjoy my Primavera. Separately, I am sad to learn of the difficulties Fred Crane has experienced and may also have caused. Fred was never anything but a gentleman with me. My Primavera transaction went smooth as silk in 2020 (taking less than 6 weeks to ship to me versus the projected 8), and everything was great. Obviously, things have changed, and I hope that those here who have not received what they were promised are able to recover some or all of their funds. Good luck to all.
paradoxper
Headphoneus Supremus
And shame Head-Fi for enabling this when we established Prana Distribution was a problem within a few members of this small community.
Puroplatino
Previously known as NotTheMomma
Hey man. Sweet amp.This is an overview and preliminary review of my recently purchased Trafomatic Primavera headphone amp. I bought it myself, and I have not been asked for this review, nor promised any form of reward or benefit for it. I have no relationship with Trafomatic or Audio Prana other than as a customer.
1. Ordering process & Delivery. Well, unless you’ve seen/heard one at an audio show, you’re pretty much ordering it blind, and with almost no reviews to guide you. Fred Crane at Audio Prana in Gloucester, MA is the distributor/dealer for North America. And if you live in the US, that’s who you order from. Fred’s a great guy, giving freely of his time to answer any questions about the Trafomatic product line. One of the things that Fred shared is that Trafomatic has only built Primavera amps for customers, and has not supplied any to the trade press. So much for in-depth reviews. And they build about 6 per year.
Trafomatic will finish the amp in just about any RAL color, and can finish it either gloss or with Soft-Touch, a rubbery-like coating. I believe 6moons mentioned this coating in their review of the Lara preamp. The coating is quite cool, and adds to the tactile enjoyment of the amp. Although I had originally set my sights on a sort of Pearl Oyster White color, Trafomatic happened to have enough of the matte black rubber coating material in stock to offer It to me at very little additional charge, but with some additional wait time. I accepted that offer.
It’s not cheap. But when you look at some of the other TOTL statement headphone amps from people like MSB, and Viva, you can see that the Primavera is price-competitive in that class. And I happen to know that there are folks out there pairing $50k+ amps with the SR1a and Susvara.
Color and finish are the only choices. Everything else is stock. Pay your deposit, and settle in for the wait, which can be anywhere from 8-16 weeks. I ordered mine in late February, and it shipped from Serbia early April. When it finally arrived in Massachusetts, Fred turned it around immediately and shipped it overnight to me in California.
It arrives in a big wooden crate, which grossed out at 44.91kg or 99 pounds. My FedEx delivery guy asked for help with it.
2. Build Quality. The Primavera is beautiful, especially if you like tube amps. The fit, finish, construction and weight, are very much what one would expect from a $15k amp.The layout is very much in the style of the deep, slightly narrow, SET look like Decware and so many others. It is built like the proverbial tank. As noted above, it is available in just about any color you could want.
3. The Setup. The signal chain is NAS—>Cisco Switch via fiber—>Roon Nucleus+—>MSB Select II w/ Network Renderer 2—>Trafomatic Primavera. ICs are Iconoclast. Power cords are Cerious Graphene. The MSB has a Gigafoil 4 and .5m BJC Cat 6 Ethernet in front of it. The Nucleus+, GigaFoil, and Cisco are powered by a Keces P8 [I share this for info only, not to start a cable/power supply/network discussion].
The Susvara specs are:
Frequency Response : 6Hz-75kHz
Impedance : 60Ω
Sensitivity : 83dB
Weight : 450g (15.9oz)
It’s that 83db sensitivity that seems to be the challenge for most amps. Obviously, any amp capable of driving insensitive speakers would probably do just fine; pretty much all speaker amps and a few headphone amps. Say, something like a Schiit Vidar, which I initially used to drive my SR1a, would be fine. And it is fine. I tried it out one day on the Susvara, ad it didn’t sound half bad. I also own a HeadAmp GS-X Mk2 and an LTA Z10E. Both do quite fine by the Susvara, the Z10E to my ears slightly better than the HeadAmp, and at 2.5x in cost, one might hope so.
4. Initial Listening Impressions. I purchased the Primavera primarily for use with the Susvara. I also listened to my LCD-4, the MySphere 3.2, and the Focal Utopia. IIRC, a fellow Head-Fier opined that the Primavera would not be a good match for the Susvara due to a perceived impedance mismatch. I think this may have been speculative. Inasmuch as the Sus was one of the headphones used to voice the Primavera’s development, that strikes me as an odd speculation, but to each their own. There is no impedance mismatch I can discern. The Trafomatic does not have a 60Ω setting, but it’s 50Ω setting is more than close enough. In the well-done owner’s manual. the user is cautioned that an impedance higher than a headphone’s rated impedance will likely cause distortion [it does], while one lower than the headphone’s rating should be fine [it is].
The tracks I listened to repeatedly [there were many more, but these I made into an evaluation-specific playlist]:
Chris Rea, The Road To Hell, The Road To Hell 1 & 2 Cowboy Junkies Trinity Revisited Blue Moon Revisited Nirvana Nirvana The Man Who Sold The World Manu Katché Unstatic Unstatic GoGo Penguin V2.0 Murmuration Mark Knopfler Shangri-La Boom, Like That Dead Can Dance Into The Labyrinth Yulunga Fiona Joy Hawkins Into The Mist Opus 1-3 Yo Yo Ma Vivaldi’s Cello Cello Concerto in C minor Robert Shaw & ASO Verdi Requiem Dies Irae Ozzy Osbourne Ozzmosis Perry Mason Tsuyoshi Yamamoto Trio Midnight Sugar Midnight Sugar Massive Attack Mezzanine Teardrops Propellerheads Decksanddrumsandrockandroll Take California Dire Straits Brothers In Arms One World Getz/Gilberto Getz/Gilberto The Girl From Ipanema Boz Scaggs Dig Thanks To You Dire Straits Brothers In Arms Brothers In Arms Linkin Park Meteora Breaking The Habit Rush Moving Pictures Tom Sawyer Jim Keltner Sheffield Drum & Track Disc Amuseum Steely Dan Aja Josie Supertramp Crime of the Century School Black Dub Black Dub Surely The AIX All Star Band Moonlight Acoustica Moonlight Acoustica Pink Floyd A Momentary Lapse of Reason Sorrow Eddie Money Playlist Take Me Home Tonight Dead Can Dance Labyrinth The Wind That Shakes the Barley Fazil Say Complete Beethoven Sonatas Sonata No. 14 [Moonlight] Peter Gabriel So Mercy Street
Here’s the TLDR version: the Primavera makes the Susvara. It makes it as good as, maybe better than the Stax SR-009S in all but the most minute and intimate of detail, and on female vocal, percussion, and piano transients. In the ability to disambiguate layers, it is on par with the Stax/T2 combo. From a PRAT, slam, presence, and richness perspective, it exceeds the RAAL | Requisite SR1a, though it is audibly inferior to the SR1a in detail and speed, transient attack and decay. So is everything else.
5. Specific SQ Topics.
a.It’s really tough to beat the Stax SR-009S/T2 combo on piano and female vocals. As wonderful as the SR1a is, it sometimes feels like the speed takes precedence over the fullness. Depending on the recording location—e.g., a church vs. a studio, the size of the hall, etc.—and how much “air” one desires around one’s ears, one can easily find the SR1a and the Stax a tossup. But if one wants to really hear and feel the orchestra during something magnificent like Verdi’s Requiem, neither the SR1a nor the 009/S can deliver what the Primavera/Susvara can. This is also true of smaller scale stuff, like GoGo Penguin’s Murmuration, which has some visceral bass lines in the build up to its climax. The Stax and RAAL simply cannot do what the Susvara does with the Trafomatic. Similarly, the Cowboy Junkies’ Blue Moon Revisited reveals some significant differences between the cans. There are wonderful bass lines in this track, that the Sus reproduces better than the other two cans. But there is also soundstage, air, and transients that both the SR1a and Stax reproduce slightly more realistically. [Note: I apply some EQ in Roon to the SR1a when listening, to bring the bass up a touch, but it’s still no match for the Sus. and sometimes the Stax.]
b.I mentioned disambiguating layers above. Take a recording from the old Phil Spector wall of sound era, or a more modern equivalent like Eddie Money’s Take Me Home Tonight, or almost any massed symphonic/choral work like the Requiem or Beethoven’s 9th. The Susvara will separate and reveal the various layers upon layers that such recordings deliver [either as a bit of a gimmick in the Spector case, or more naturally in a symphonic hall]. On my HeadAmp and Z10E, those layers are more “congested” on the Susvara, and thus quite a bit less desirable than the TOTL amps for the Stax and the RAAL. But that changes with the Trafomatic. Like peeling and reassembling all the layers of an onion, or some Tony Stark virtual 3D design holography, both the whole and the parts become audible.The Susvara is not quite as fast as the Stax, or the SR1a, but its presentation of the fuller audio spectrum provides proper weight, and thus imaging and location, to those instruments that produce the bass lines. Cymbal crashes may be slightly thicker, but the tympanis nearby are more realistic.
c.For some people, electrostats can be a bit zingy. I think that is usually a shortcoming in the amplification, but maybe not all of it. A good planar should have none of that, and very nearly all the speed of the electrostat. The Susvara does. I found myself replaying some tracks like Blue Moon Revisited and Murmuration over and over again, just to delight in the balanced combo of speed and top-to-bottom SQ.
d.I apologize to anyone who is offended by this, but the LCD-4 is just not in the discussion. Whether on the Primavera or the HeadAmp or the Z10E, it comes across as too warm even dark, veiled, and thick. I had not listened to my LCD-4 in quite some time; I was startled at how poorly it compared to the other cans. On bass, it thumped all the others but the Susvara, but that’s not enough to carry the day. Granted, I am a bit of a speed and detail freak, but compared to the other three cans, the LCD-4 sounded veiled and a bit sluggish.
6. Conclusion. Although I have been without my SR1a for a couple fo weeks while the HSA-1a is having some updates fitted, I have little doubt that it will return to being my favorite overall listening kit, because of its amazing transient speed, air, and soundstage, while the Susvara/Primavera will be my 1a listening choice. But I could be wrong. We’ll see. That slam is awfully addictive. I don’t love my T2/009S combo any less, but its use case has been narrowed. If I want air, speed, the sense of shimmer, and a little more comfort as compared to the SR1a, I will listen to the Stax. But for overall top-to-bottom SQ, the Susvara/Primavera is my new #1.
Quick question… can you change the colors of the lights and or VU meters by chance or is it only yellow?
Cheers
smodtactical
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