Barry
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I don't know anything about listening training, but I can imagine that meditation would be helpful in focusing.
Science is not always objective (there can be considerable interpretation in determining the results of experiments, etc. there certainly is interpretation in trials involving humans, etc.) nor is it static - there are advances in determining the right item to measure, the measurement technique,etc. Our scientific explanations of our world and how we perceive it has evolved over time and I suspect will continue to do so.
Similarly, our subjective responses are also imperfect. As are humans. Still, for many disciplines, it is the subjective that rules. While an audiologist does perform listening tests, it is our response to the tones that determine the audiogram. When we get a hearing aid, programmed scientifically per the audiogram, it still must often be tweaked to fit the actual hearing of each patient. Those tweaks are subjective - based both on the complaints/perceptions of the patient and on the type of modification that the audiologist will need to implement.
I have no problem with science seeking to explain similarities or differences, but I don't assume that a scientific approach always leads to the "right" answer - though it often does and, if not, can get us close - or provides the absolute accurate explanation for an event - though a systematic approach can bear much fruit in that area. For example, while scientific theory can lead to a hypothesis about a specific medical treatment - in real life, with real patients, the theory can fall apart. And so science evolves.
I also don't have a problem with listeners deciding that they hear what they hear, without looking for an explanation. In the end, the most relevant measuring device for what I hear and perceive is me. Whether I perceive the differences in an ABX trial and not in real life or vise versa - it is real life that will govern my opinions and behavior. Speaking metaphorically, if a treatment does not work for a patient in real life, the treatment does not work - regardless of the science.
Where I get cranky is when the discussion gets polarized where proponents of a given point of view are so clear that they are "right" while others are "wrong". Don't you think that if there is a "right" that the world would quickly adopt the view. The fact that there is legitimate controversy leads me to think that both sides have some merit and that the question is far from resolved. I just wish that we were less judgmental towards others who have a different opinion. Rant over and thank you.
Science is not always objective (there can be considerable interpretation in determining the results of experiments, etc. there certainly is interpretation in trials involving humans, etc.) nor is it static - there are advances in determining the right item to measure, the measurement technique,etc. Our scientific explanations of our world and how we perceive it has evolved over time and I suspect will continue to do so.
Similarly, our subjective responses are also imperfect. As are humans. Still, for many disciplines, it is the subjective that rules. While an audiologist does perform listening tests, it is our response to the tones that determine the audiogram. When we get a hearing aid, programmed scientifically per the audiogram, it still must often be tweaked to fit the actual hearing of each patient. Those tweaks are subjective - based both on the complaints/perceptions of the patient and on the type of modification that the audiologist will need to implement.
I have no problem with science seeking to explain similarities or differences, but I don't assume that a scientific approach always leads to the "right" answer - though it often does and, if not, can get us close - or provides the absolute accurate explanation for an event - though a systematic approach can bear much fruit in that area. For example, while scientific theory can lead to a hypothesis about a specific medical treatment - in real life, with real patients, the theory can fall apart. And so science evolves.
I also don't have a problem with listeners deciding that they hear what they hear, without looking for an explanation. In the end, the most relevant measuring device for what I hear and perceive is me. Whether I perceive the differences in an ABX trial and not in real life or vise versa - it is real life that will govern my opinions and behavior. Speaking metaphorically, if a treatment does not work for a patient in real life, the treatment does not work - regardless of the science.
Where I get cranky is when the discussion gets polarized where proponents of a given point of view are so clear that they are "right" while others are "wrong". Don't you think that if there is a "right" that the world would quickly adopt the view. The fact that there is legitimate controversy leads me to think that both sides have some merit and that the question is far from resolved. I just wish that we were less judgmental towards others who have a different opinion. Rant over and thank you.