swanlee
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Flogging this horse? seriously What the ZuneHd lineup with only a 32gb max capacity was just recently announced also what was VERY recently announced was that ALL of the previous gen Zunes would be discontinued this is pretty recent stuff so I don't see how you can say it has been flogged to death.
And as you mentioned the EQ was brought back and one of the reasons was due to user demand I would think MS would also like to here about how their new lineup effects previous customers. I want to give you my money you guys just don't seem willing to take it.
I understand that no matter what is done all users needs will not be met but you have a significant number of people in the zune eco system with 120 Gb and 80 Gb Zunes that have no upgrade path to the newer models. And now the newer Zunes can playback HD video which takes a great amount of space. Seems odd to add features that can utilize a lot of space while cutting the capacity by almost 4 times compared to the zune 120.
Even removing my pretty simple needs of a high capacity device and an EQ let's take why wife for example. She's a runner she loved her small flash zune because it was small light and the flash zune with her arm band made running really easy. Her flash zune was stolen from her car so now we are in the market for a replacement for her. She doesn't need high capacity or an EQ but would like a Zune that was the same size as her previous flash Zune but MS has now canned all previous zune models. How is the Zunehd going to handle a jogger? What options does she have if she wants a much smaller sized device and would like to purchase a new model with more modern features?
It almost seems like you aren't getting it, if you are watching market trends etc. why are you using a bb gun instead of a shot gun? and forcing your customers to adjust their needs instead of offering a product line that has more choice and options that will fill more of people's needs?
You may be maximizing profits by offering a very a thin product line but you are also going to be isolating previous customers by NOT meeting the needs of people in which your product line did meet the needs for previously.
And why should I stop expressing my thoughts and needs in a zune device? Do you guys NOT want feedback on some of your decisions? Is posting about it here and on the official zune forums really such a bother? Isn't that what these types of forums are for? Pretty much telling me to shut up about this is seriously messed up if everyone just shut up about what they'd like in a player and offered no feedback at all how good would that be for MS and how would MS really know what there real customers actually wanted? Polls and marketing statistics can only get you so far sometimes hearing what actual real paying customers want can be of some use.
Originally Posted by The Eleutherian /img/forum/go_quote.gif I'm sorry it came off as harsh, but you just aren't getting this. This is not about how simple or easy to implement your desired features are. It's not about you being a weirdo freak. It's not about you being insignificant. It's not about any individual, it's about market dynamics. No matter what design decisions are made, some user's needs will not be met. It takes millions of dollars to spin up a production line for a new device. That is not an exaggeration, literally millions of dollars. The only way MS is going to do that is if they think they can make good return on their investment. There simply is not a big enough market for HD based players to justify that. I realize that you want to buy one, but until you have several hundred thousand friends who feel the same way it aint going to happen. We brought back EQ - despite the fact that it is a fairly niche feature and does not influence buying patterns very much statistically speaking - because with the new capabilities of the Tegra it was a relatively small investment to implement. So obviously in some cases we are willing to cater to the minority. Creating a new HD based SKU is not a small investment, it is a huge undertaking. The payoff has to be there. AND IT ISN'T. Flash will get up to 128GB soon. In the meantime could you please stop flogging this dead and rotting horse corpse? |
Flogging this horse? seriously What the ZuneHd lineup with only a 32gb max capacity was just recently announced also what was VERY recently announced was that ALL of the previous gen Zunes would be discontinued this is pretty recent stuff so I don't see how you can say it has been flogged to death.
And as you mentioned the EQ was brought back and one of the reasons was due to user demand I would think MS would also like to here about how their new lineup effects previous customers. I want to give you my money you guys just don't seem willing to take it.
I understand that no matter what is done all users needs will not be met but you have a significant number of people in the zune eco system with 120 Gb and 80 Gb Zunes that have no upgrade path to the newer models. And now the newer Zunes can playback HD video which takes a great amount of space. Seems odd to add features that can utilize a lot of space while cutting the capacity by almost 4 times compared to the zune 120.
Even removing my pretty simple needs of a high capacity device and an EQ let's take why wife for example. She's a runner she loved her small flash zune because it was small light and the flash zune with her arm band made running really easy. Her flash zune was stolen from her car so now we are in the market for a replacement for her. She doesn't need high capacity or an EQ but would like a Zune that was the same size as her previous flash Zune but MS has now canned all previous zune models. How is the Zunehd going to handle a jogger? What options does she have if she wants a much smaller sized device and would like to purchase a new model with more modern features?
It almost seems like you aren't getting it, if you are watching market trends etc. why are you using a bb gun instead of a shot gun? and forcing your customers to adjust their needs instead of offering a product line that has more choice and options that will fill more of people's needs?
You may be maximizing profits by offering a very a thin product line but you are also going to be isolating previous customers by NOT meeting the needs of people in which your product line did meet the needs for previously.
And why should I stop expressing my thoughts and needs in a zune device? Do you guys NOT want feedback on some of your decisions? Is posting about it here and on the official zune forums really such a bother? Isn't that what these types of forums are for? Pretty much telling me to shut up about this is seriously messed up if everyone just shut up about what they'd like in a player and offered no feedback at all how good would that be for MS and how would MS really know what there real customers actually wanted? Polls and marketing statistics can only get you so far sometimes hearing what actual real paying customers want can be of some use.