[castleofargh]

just noticed steve eddy's ban
 
 

"steve walks warily down the street...."

 

[Exacoustatowner]

just noticed steve eddy's ban




"steve walks warily down the street...."

Yes. I'll miss his humor.

 

[icebear]

  just noticed steve eddy's ban
...
"steve walks warily down the street...."

 

Yes. I'll miss his humor.

 
Sometimes his comments were obviously less humorous and more meant as attack.
It doesn't really come as a surprise to me.

 

[Exacoustatowner]

Sometimes his comments were obviously less humorous and more meant as attack.
It doesn't really come as a surprise to me.

That's true. I was concerned he would end up banned. It's too bad, I generally enjoyed what he had to say.

 

[arnyk]

That's true. I was concerned he would end up banned. It's too bad, I generally enjoyed what he had to say.

 
His technical comments were generally very good.
 
I miss them.

 

[Bibo]

 
 


 


Sometimes his comments were obviously less humorous and more meant as attack.


It doesn't really come as a surprise to me.

And in one of his last posts he was atacking a giant...

 

[bfreedma]

 
 

   
   
  Sometimes his comments were obviously less humorous and more meant as attack.
  It doesn't really come as a surprise to me.

  And in one of his last posts he was atacking a giant...

 
A huge loss for this community.  Steve may not have felt the need to sugar coat things, but his knowledge was always valuable.
 
Sometimes I have trouble figuring out why some posters are escorted out the door while others who are equally combative yet lack the technical knowledge are allowed to stay.

 

[CanadianMaestro]

There's a limit to constructive criticism that ends when posts become acidic and goes beyond humorous sarcasm. Personally, I liked much of Steve's posts. The ones that were borderline rants against particular individuals, I simply brushed off as entertainment.
 
I don't believe technical knowledge is a prerequisite for remaining on Head-Fi.

 

[Bibo]

I suspect showing technical knowledge helps to get banned from head-fi...

 

[CanadianMaestro]

  I suspect showing technical knowledge helps to get banned from head-fi...

 
Usually if the knowledge is expressed in ways that impune somebody else's reputation.
 
There are many roads to the same destination, some paved with mines, others smooth as silk.

 

[Happy Camper]

The science forums offer the novice and hobbyist the means to express themselves as freely as those with advanced degrees. Problem is we have precious few members with either design and or the science language to express in terms that the subjectively difference people hear. If we can't communicate, how can we solve? There is a rather large percentage of the whole that have confessed to hearing differences in cables. But science is expecting them to provide science speak to back their claims. OK, teach those who do admit to hearing differences how to explain what we hear. Or better yet, give a listen to some cables that are confirmed different by the subjective listener. Not a test tone, music is much more complex than a test tone. Without this collaboration, the progress in our hobby will continue to be split between those who think we've reached nirvana in the 30s and those still reaching for it.

 

[CanadianMaestro]

The science forums offer the novice and hobbyist the means to express themselves as freely as those with advanced degrees. Problem is we have precious few members with either design and or the science language to express in terms that the subjectively difference people hear. If we can't communicate, how can we solve? There is a rather large percentage of the whole that have confessed to hearing differences in cables. But science is expecting them to provide science speak to back their claims. OK, teach those who do admit to hearing differences how to explain what we hear. Or better yet, give a listen to some cables that are confirmed different by the subjective listener. Not a test tone, music is much more complex than a test tone. Without this collaboration, the progress in our hobby will continue to be split between those who think we've reached nirvana in the 30s and those still reaching for it.

This is good, and needed to be stated. Thanks.
 
I think that, in the end, if the music sounds great, go for it. The science behind it.....really, that comes second.
 
imo.

 

[bfreedma]

The science forums offer the novice and hobbyist the means to express themselves as freely as those with advanced degrees. Problem is we have precious few members with either design and or the science language to express in terms that the subjectively difference people hear. If we can't communicate, how can we solve? There is a rather large percentage of the whole that have confessed to hearing differences in cables. But science is expecting them to provide science speak to back their claims. OK, teach those who do admit to hearing differences how to explain what we hear. Or better yet, give a listen to some cables that are confirmed different by the subjective listener. Not a test tone, music is much more complex than a test tone. Without this collaboration, the progress in our hobby will continue to be split between those who think we've reached nirvana in the 30s and those still reaching for it.

 
The onus is on the "subjective difference" crowd to be able to prove they can actually hear the differences under controlled conditions, not on science to make up new terminology to explain something that every rational measurement and test suggests doesn't exist within human audible limits.
 
Suggesting that those who take the objective view of this are "stuck in the 30s" is disingenuous unless you're suggesting human hearing has evolved much more rapidly than anyone is aware.

 

[CanadianMaestro]

Audio for me, is a hobby. I feel no compelling urge to provide measurements to anyone to convince them that what I hear is genuine. Of course, for manufacturers of gear, then specs etc certainly do go a long way for helping guys like me decide what may be good or otherwise.
 
And vice versa -- I don't expect, or want, any other music lover/audio enthusiast to try to convince me that what they hear in their own system, is genuine, with measurements.
 
Just imo.
 
cheers

 

[bfreedma]

  Audio for me, is a hobby. I feel no compelling urge to provide measurements to anyone to convince them that what I hear is genuine. Of course, for manufacturers of gear, then specs etc certainly do go a long way for helping guys like me decide what may be good or otherwise.
 
And vice versa -- I don't expect, or want, any other music lover/audio enthusiast to try to convince me that what they hear in their own system, is genuine, with measurements.
 
Just imo.
 
cheers

 
I understand, but Sound Science is the one area where you're expected to back up subjective opinions with objective data.  In any other forum, I wouldn't have responded to the original post.