The Reference 6SN7 Thread
Jul 27, 2021 at 6:40 PM Post #4,981 of 10,006
Do you like Fivre 6SN7 tubes? I do. It's poor man's ecc33. :)
Ecc33's can still be had for under $250, I am not an expert on them but I do recall being exposed to a few variations. If they are close in construction we only allow one representative in the tube tests I alluded to earlier. They tend to be easier to find than some of my favorites. Some of the Fivre I heard are decent but not what I collect for home use. :ksc75smile:
 
Jul 28, 2021 at 5:00 PM Post #4,982 of 10,006
Ecc33's can still be had for under $250, I am not an expert on them but I do recall being exposed to a few variations. If they are close in construction we only allow one representative in the tube tests I alluded to earlier. They tend to be easier to find than some of my favorites. Some of the Fivre I heard are decent but not what I collect for home use. :ksc75smile:
Interesting. They used to be more expensive than ECC35, and now seems reversed.
 
Jul 28, 2021 at 5:10 PM Post #4,983 of 10,006
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Jul 28, 2021 at 5:23 PM Post #4,984 of 10,006

How come these Fivres have such low amounts of chromium? I have one from Langrex and I can't even see the chromium. It was "only" 65 GBP when I bought it, then it disappeared from their site. It was marked as "NOS" too...

Actually the first picture here shows a suggestion of chromium at the bottom, but with the naked eye it seems like it's not there at all. :)

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Jul 28, 2021 at 5:24 PM Post #4,985 of 10,006
I'm a huge fan. A Fivre black base ladder plate tube is my current fav and has been firmly ensconced in my amp for months. That's the longest I've ever gone without rolling a 6SN7 out. :D
more then CBS or RCA 5692s? or TS from the 50-60s?
 
Jul 28, 2021 at 5:25 PM Post #4,986 of 10,006
Yes. That model is a bottom getter/flash version. Sometimes it does not extend beyond the tube base.
 
Jul 28, 2021 at 5:28 PM Post #4,987 of 10,006
more then CBS or RCA 5692s? or TS from the 50-60s?
Yes to the 5692 -- At least the CBS/Hytron. Don't know about the TS as I don't have any of their 6SN7 from that era. Of course this is all with my gear and ears. Gear synergy and personal preferences can make a huge diff.
 
Jul 28, 2021 at 5:39 PM Post #4,988 of 10,006
Is there a difference in sound between black and brown base fivre 6sn7? How do they compare in sonics to the nice VT-231s?
 
Jul 28, 2021 at 9:30 PM Post #4,989 of 10,006
Is there a difference in sound between black and brown base fivre 6sn7? How do they compare in sonics to the nice VT-231s?
They all sounds similar to my ears. There is a "Air Force" version, sounds slightly better. Let me found the pic.
 

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Jul 30, 2021 at 3:13 AM Post #4,990 of 10,006
OK, I've got my kevlar vest on so will just come right out with it: I'm running a pair of 1960 GE 6BL7 GTA drivers in Elise and damn if it isn't far better than expected. The treble is actually quite beautiful and extended, mids sounded a bit "wooden" and bass a bit flabby 1st few hours but both are definitely improving as I hit 10 hours or so. This is a 1.5A heater current / high amplification (15mu) triode FWIW, with an energetic sound and I like it best at low to medium volumes. And the kicker: It was $20 for the pair!

Bottom line: These won't be replacing my Ken Rad VT-231 or other favorite 6SN7 tubes but it's good to know there are still highly affordable tubes out there to play with even after I retire and my kids force me into a nursing home I can barely afford. And as for GE bashing, every hobby needs fodder for humor. In the symphony making fun of the viola is a given. Just don't be surprised if on occasion the viola soloist in the Mozart Sinfonia Concertante K. 364 steals the show.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. 🎶🎻:smile_phones:
 
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Jul 30, 2021 at 8:22 AM Post #4,991 of 10,006
OK, I've got my kevlar vest on so will just come right out with it: I'm running a pair of 1960 GE 6BL7 GTA drivers in Elise and damn if it isn't far better than expected. The treble is actually quite beautiful and extended, mids sounded a bit "wooden" and bass a bit flabby 1st few hours but both are definitely improving as I hit 10 hours or so. This is a 1.5A heater current / high amplification (15mu) triode FWIW, with an energetic sound and I like it best at low to medium volumes. And the kicker: It was $20 for the pair!

Bottom line: These won't be replacing my Ken Rad VT-231 or other favorite 6SN7 tubes but it's good to know there are still highly affordable tubes out there to play with even after I retire and my kids force me into a nursing home I can barely afford. And as for GE bashing, every hobby needs fodder for humor. In the symphony making fun of the viola is a given. Just don't be surprised if on occasion the viola soloist in the Mozart Sinfonia Concertante K. 364 steals the show.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. 🎶🎻:smile_phones:
There are some wonderful GE power tubes out there so it does not surprise me that folks like some of the other tubes. :beerchug: It is easy to bend to opinions of others but if you like a tube, you like it, regardless of the brand name.
 
Jul 30, 2021 at 8:45 AM Post #4,992 of 10,006
In the symphony making fun of the viola is a given. Just don't be surprised if on occasion the viola soloist in the Mozart Sinfonia Concertante K. 364 steals the show.

Now back to our regularly scheduled programming. 🎶🎻:smile_phones:
Just as an aside - when I used to play in orchestras growing up (high schools/city youth orchestra) it wasn't uncommon for us to swap instruments for fun during practices/breaks to see how the other instruments played. Viola players always curious about violin and vice versa -- same for a cello and bass players.

Although, yeah -- we still made fun of the viola. But all in good fun. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
 
Jul 30, 2021 at 3:43 PM Post #4,993 of 10,006
woo.. testing time this weekend!
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I'm starting with the RCA JAN. (GE - as it was GE that made the RCA 5962s. RCA never them.)
So far, like the seller pointed out - SUPER quiet!

Amplitrex AT1000 Test Results uMhos & gV 95%+ = within NOS Specs

Mutual Conductance
2600 = SPEC
Emission
8.0 gV = SPEC
Noise
Test
Gas & Shorts
TUBE #1 2400/2460 (92.3/94.6%) 7.9/7.9 (98.8/98.8%)5/5 PASS
TUBE #2 2400/2440 (92.3/93.8%) 8.0/7.8 (100.0/97.5)5/5PASS

some p0rn
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UPDATE:
so far they sound a lot like the CBS/Hytron (not a shocker)
 
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Jul 30, 2021 at 4:39 PM Post #4,994 of 10,006
Ecc33's can still be had for under $250, I am not an expert on them but I do recall being exposed to a few variations. If they are close in construction we only allow one representative in the tube tests I alluded to earlier. They tend to be easier to find than some of my favorites. Some of the Fivre I heard are decent but not what I collect for home use. :ksc75smile:
Yeah the ECC33 sound great, but they are not cheap..very nice tubes though
 
Jul 30, 2021 at 5:47 PM Post #4,995 of 10,006
woo.. testing time this weekend!


I'm starting with the RCA JAN.
So far, like the seller pointed out - SUPER quiet!

Amplitrex AT1000 Test Results uMhos & gV 95%+ = within NOS Specs

Mutual Conductance
2600 = SPEC
Emission
8.0 gV = SPEC
Noise
Test
Gas & Shorts
TUBE #1 2400/2460 (92.3/94.6%) 7.9/7.9 (98.8/98.8%)5/5 PASS
TUBE #2 2400/2440 (92.3/93.8%) 8.0/7.8 (100.0/97.5)5/5PASS

These tubes look great. Curious... what are the differences between these RCA JAN CRC 5692s and the RCA 5692? I understand that the 5692 is already at its origin a sturdy version of the 6SN7 designed to resist shocks from artillery, so is the JAN version the same basically or different and also different sounding?
 

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