The Reference 6SN7 Thread
Dec 2, 2014 at 12:12 AM Post #316 of 10,003
bbmiller, you're getting ahead of yourself here. If you're rolling tubes into an amp you didn't build yourself, you cannot deduce on your own what may and may not work using datasheets. The only authority on the matter is the amp's manufacturer, or others who were brave enough to try the tubes on their own... surely there is a Little Dot forum here with owners that could provide more advice...? I would strongly suggest just sticking with 6SN7s, there are so many of those you could roll for several lifetimes and not get bored.
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 7:06 PM Post #317 of 10,003
Just took a risk and ordered these off eBay, never seen any other 6SN7's like them.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemVersion&view=all&item=281382057788&tid=1303169565018&ssPageName=ADME:X:UPICB:AU:1123
 
Anyone ever seen anything like these before ?
 
Dec 19, 2014 at 7:55 PM Post #318 of 10,003
Dec 19, 2014 at 8:02 PM Post #319 of 10,003
Link doesn't show anything. Is it the Brimar black bottles you talked about? I have seen before but never heard. It should be interesting.


Whoops sorry this should work 
 
http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/281382057788?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
 

 
Dec 19, 2014 at 11:15 PM Post #320 of 10,003
Dec 19, 2014 at 11:36 PM Post #322 of 10,003
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What the heck are these things. They look super cool. I hope they sound nice guys.
 
Jan 3, 2015 at 5:22 PM Post #324 of 10,003
Anyone have thoughts on the following tubes?
 
6SN7GT USSR Military
 
6SN7WGT Philips ECG
 
Jan 4, 2015 at 1:24 PM Post #325 of 10,003
The Philips ECG 6SN7WGT is late production Sylvania. Nice tubes.
 
May 17, 2015 at 5:05 PM Post #328 of 10,003
Thanks for posting, I was just looking for the old page.
 
May 18, 2015 at 3:19 AM Post #329 of 10,003
The link to the 6SN7 VT-231 5692 Tube Audio Performance – Chimera Labs article is no longer current however, the article is still available at: http://www.dehavillandhifi.com/6sn7_vt.htm May I suggest substituting this in the opening post? This is a very interesting read, I recommend it!


A sort of interesting read. It seems odd though how so many different tubes are just lumped together by manufacturer and given the same sonic description, such as "6SN7GT, 6SN7WGT, 6SN7GTA, 6SN7WGTA 6SN7GTB".

Too broad of a brush IMHO.
 
May 18, 2015 at 9:31 AM Post #330 of 10,003
Anybody here  has information about the 7193 /2c22 tubes family versus 6sn7gt family ? i have read some few but very clear statements about the superiority of the 7193 family.... in the past i had experience truly superior sound in upgrading to the 6 sn7 family from 12au7 for example (bugle boy and amperex )....Now i am curious about 7193 tubes.... Perhaps difficult to buy but cheap tubes..., i waited for 19 national unions tubes now .... the adapter is "en route" .... for one 6ns7 its necessary to put 2 tubes 7193 in the adapter.....high frequency tubes in world war II used in tanks communication....i will report my impression .
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some observation and opinions i collected on the web about the 7193 :
 
The ultimate 6SN7 for me wasn't a 6SN7 at all. I replaced the 6SN7s in my Supratek Chenin preamp with CCS loaded 2C22 single triodes, biased to 3.4V using (4) Cree SiC Schottky Diodes on the cathode. To say they were MUCH MUCH better is an understatement. The 2C22 is roughly equivalent to 1/2 of a 6SN7, but the anode and grid are taken out via top caps.
Bass is clearer and more defined, mids are to die for, treble is sparkling without being grating. Using the CCS I am able to replace both sections of the 6SN7 with a single 2C22 and still have plenty of gain.
What is magic is the 2C22/7193, but that's 6.6k Rp and two top caps. Mind, that's where the magic is if that's what you want and you have a high input impedence on your amp. I thank my lucky stars i came across that tube.
 
 
I converted my 6SN7 preamp to 2C22 and there's no going back - better high, lows, spatial rendition, tone, etc. I run them at 14.6mA, 175V, CCS on plate, Cree SiC Shottky diodes for bias,  
 
 
I couldn't believe my ears when I heard the 2C22 a few years ago - it made all 6SN7s sound boring.
 
I know the 2C22 stage sounds excellent - almost DHT.
 
 

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