The Reference 6J5 Thread (L63, 6C5, 12J5, 6P5, etc.)

Jan 7, 2024 at 8:17 PM Post #3,481 of 4,602
Ah...just remembered a question I had. I picked up a nice pair of G style Sylvania that had a marking in the base after the Sylvania name. It looks like a leaf or something close and inscribed in the same green. Anyone have a clue? These appear to be older G style maybe as there's the small U shaped clip above the top mica spacer that I've seen on 6SN7's.
 
Jan 7, 2024 at 8:18 PM Post #3,482 of 4,602
Holy cannoli....I knew I came to the right place for info. Big thanks to everyone that contributed to that encyclopedia. And thanks for the loctal tip. I remember that those were mentioned in the Vacuum Tube Valley review of the 6SN7 family. Great stuff here.
Have we ever figured out if there are different versions of the 7/14a4? All of the ones I have are the same as the Sylvania round plate 6j5gt.
 
Jan 7, 2024 at 8:26 PM Post #3,483 of 4,602
Ah...just remembered a question I had. I picked up a nice pair of G style Sylvania that had a marking in the base after the Sylvania name. It looks like a leaf or something close and inscribed in the same green. Anyone have a clue? These appear to be older G style maybe as there's the small U shaped clip above the top mica spacer that I've seen on 6SN7's.


"Over the course of their operation Sylvania used green on their tube boxes, technical literature, merchandise, such as clock radios, enamel advertising signs and thermometers and even the doors and windows on their factory in Emporium, PA were painted green too. The green livery and their oak leaf logo were almost certainly inspired by the verdant Pennsylvanian countryside."
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1933 Sylvania logo - it changed somewhat over the years'
 
Jan 7, 2024 at 9:38 PM Post #3,485 of 4,602
Have we ever figured out if there are different versions of the 7/14a4? All of the ones I have are the same as the Sylvania round plate 6j5gt.
I haven't looked into 7A4's very much, but from what I've gathered on their twin-triode 7N7 brothers, they were only made by Sylvania and National Union. Could be the same for the 7A4's, but I have nothing definitive on that. Bunch of different labels below, but all have the same round plate style and configuration. Plate colors vary, but that could be due to date of manufacture more than anything.


7A4 Variety.jpg
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 12:16 AM Post #3,486 of 4,602
Have we ever figured out if there are different versions of the 7/14a4? All of the ones I have are the same as the Sylvania round plate 6j5gt.
I bought some sealed "GE" 7A4 a few months back and opened them up and they all had completely different internals than any other 7A4 i have ever seen.. if I had to guess, the internals look a lot like Raytheon 6J5/12J5WGT.
 

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Jan 8, 2024 at 1:15 AM Post #3,487 of 4,602
I bought some sealed "GE" 7A4 a few months back and opened them up and they all had completely different internals than any other 7A4 i have ever seen.. if I had to guess, the internals look a lot like Raytheon 6J5/12J5WGT.
Fascinating.

Sometimes I wonder about our current perspective on these consumer consumables of their era. Wonder if manufacturers were more focused on fulfilling order delivery targets for the lowest cost than far distant future audiophile sensibilities.

If they had some spare parts from Raytheon, RCA or whoever and meet electrical specs - build it and ship it! "70 years from now, no one will care or pay $$$ for a $1 tube." 🤣
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 1:51 AM Post #3,488 of 4,602
Fascinating.

Sometimes I wonder about our current perspective on these consumer consumables of their era. Wonder if manufacturers were more focused on fulfilling order delivery targets for the lowest cost than far distant future audiophile sensibilities.***
*** " .... Hmm, I spy with my little eye, in this vacuum globe the image of a 'bcowen' - whatever that is 🤔. Well, well ... he plans to hoard our wares ... let's misstate the filament currents by 40% ... 😏 ... "
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 7:13 AM Post #3,489 of 4,602
I bought some sealed "GE" 7A4 a few months back and opened them up and they all had completely different internals than any other 7A4 i have ever seen.. if I had to guess, the internals look a lot like Raytheon 6J5/12J5WGT.
Wonder if the period of manufacturing for those might have been toward the end of the road for single triodes in an envelope. Technology started pushing the size of active devices toward smaller ones and the 7 and 9 pin envelopes. Two wars and a space race had their influence. Maybe those were built from what was left over.
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 11:46 AM Post #3,490 of 4,602
I bought some sealed "GE" 7A4 a few months back and opened them up and they all had completely different internals than any other 7A4 i have ever seen.. if I had to guess, the internals look a lot like Raytheon 6J5/12J5WGT.
Very interesting! First 7A4 I've seen with flat plates.
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 11:53 AM Post #3,491 of 4,602
Fascinating.

Sometimes I wonder about our current perspective on these consumer consumables of their era. Wonder if manufacturers were more focused on fulfilling order delivery targets for the lowest cost than far distant future audiophile sensibilities.

If they had some spare parts from Raytheon, RCA or whoever and meet electrical specs - build it and ship it! "70 years from now, no one will care or pay $$$ for a $1 tube." 🤣
I wonder if people back in the '40's and '50's "rolled" tubes?

1950's Dude 1: "I just scored a pair of unused early '40's Sylvania 6SN7's for 38 cents!!!"
1950's Dude 2: "You overpaid. I got a pair at the corner drugstore last week for 29 cents. Dumbass."

🤣
 
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Jan 8, 2024 at 12:04 PM Post #3,492 of 4,602
I wonder if people back in the '40's and '50's "rolled" tubes?

1950's Dude 1: "I just scored a pair of unused early '40's Sylvania 6SN7's for 38 cents!!!"
1950's Dude 2: "You overpaid. I got a pair at the corner drugstore last week for 29 cents. Dumbass."

🤣
Very interesting point - when did people start rolling tubes for audio purposes?
Just a guess; maybe when transistors took over. 1950s?1960s?
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 12:24 PM Post #3,493 of 4,602
I wonder if people back in the '40's and '50's "rolled" tubes?

1950's Dude 1: "I just scored a pair of unused early '40's Sylvania 6SN7's for 38 cents!!!"
1950's Dude 2: "You overpaid. I got a pair at the corner drugstore last week for 29 cents. Dumbass daddi-0. And I used one S&H green stamp !!"

🤣
FTFY...[Reg. TM; © bcowen: 2021.] That was the 1950s ... 😜
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 12:32 PM Post #3,494 of 4,602
Very interesting point - when did people start rolling tubes for audio purposes?
Just a guess; maybe when transistors took over. 1950s?1960s?1970s?
.... 🤔😳 .... weren't the Hirsch-Houck lab reports propaganda featured in Stereo Review convincing enough about transistor superiority?
 
Jan 8, 2024 at 12:32 PM Post #3,495 of 4,602
I haven't looked into 7A4's very much, but from what I've gathered on their twin-triode 7N7 brothers, they were only made by Sylvania and National Union. Could be the same for the 7A4's, but I have nothing definitive on that. Bunch of different labels below, but all have the same round plate style and configuration. Plate colors vary, but that could be due to date of manufacture more than anything.

I thought Raytheon also made 7N7s, or is that just an internet rumor?
 

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