The Reference 6J5 Thread (L63, 6C5, 12J5, 6P5, etc.)
May 11, 2021 at 7:50 PM Post #1,516 of 4,200
May 11, 2021 at 9:00 PM Post #1,517 of 4,200
Oh, I have a plethora of Sylvania tubes, which I adore with the VC, hence my interest in the Zenith counterpart, but none look like those tubes....and yes, theyre very nice looking.
 
May 12, 2021 at 5:36 AM Post #1,518 of 4,200
Yes - foil getter. You can just about make it out in the pics. I'll check for any lettering, but can't remember seeing any.
I think I can say on our collective behalf; @leftside - you have a pretty beautiful and fantastic 6J5+Friends tube collection. I'm quite certain the total scope of your tube collection is museum-worthy. Pristine, boxed, gorgeous!
 
May 12, 2021 at 11:47 AM Post #1,519 of 4,200
I think I can say on our collective behalf; @leftside - you have a pretty beautiful and fantastic 6J5+Friends tube collection. I'm quite certain the total scope of your tube collection is museum-worthy. Pristine, boxed, gorgeous!
Thanks @chrisdrop. Only a few original boxes though, and some of those tubes have seen better days I think. Hopefully folks found the pics interesting and informative. I certainly learnt a few things the last couple of days - especially all the rebranding by the manufacturers. Taking the photos and posting on here has helped me identify all the posted tubes - so thanks to all for the informative identification comments.

I can post up pics of the Euros if people are interested? And then there's the 6C5s....
 
May 12, 2021 at 11:51 AM Post #1,520 of 4,200
Thanks @chrisdrop. Only a few original boxes though, and some of those tubes have seen better days I think. Hopefully folks found the pics interesting and informative. I certainly learnt a few things the last couple of days - especially all the rebranding by the manufacturers. Taking the photos and posting on here has helped me identify all the posted tubes - so thanks to all for the informative identification comments.

I can post up pics of the Euros if people are interested? And then there's the 6C5s....

Thank you for all the hard work @leftside!

Please post pics of the European tubes AND the 6C5s too :D It has certainly been a joy to read through all the information offered by the members here
 
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May 12, 2021 at 1:01 PM Post #1,522 of 4,200
Yeah I kind of figured that, but I have yet to see that glass type on any Sylvania, so I figured it might be a "Zenith-only" design.
 
May 12, 2021 at 7:16 PM Post #1,524 of 4,200
@Deyan adapters for the win.

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May 12, 2021 at 8:50 PM Post #1,526 of 4,200
Good eye! Yes (and no) to Brimar. One is a Brimar. The other is a Calverton that is identical to the Brimar in construction but was purchased for cheap on ebay. I was on the hunt for similar construction without the Brimar name and found it. They pair really well with the Verite Open and Chatham 6as7g.

As has been mentioned, the Brits played fast and loose with their branding back in the day.
 
May 17, 2021 at 8:45 AM Post #1,527 of 4,200
And to finish the pictures this evening with some more tube porn. A few US tubes tomorrow.

In an attempt to complement this superb photo, here are all the designs of the brown base L63/CV1067 I have. They sure knew how to make pretty labels!
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Something interesting I noticed is the two main types of construction on MOV L63 tubes. All the brown base clear glass L63 I have have the 'half' plate construction, best seen on the rightmost tube above. However, in all L63 tubes which have grey glass, and those with metal skirts, or both grey and metal, they seem to have the full, symmetrical plates.
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A picture of clear glass L63 that were for sale a while ago, the only MOV L63 like this I have seen so far, that show the plates of metal skirt L63 which are otherwise grey glass.


Two versions of the B65/36 also exist; brown base clear glass, and metal base grey or clear glass. From what I have found, the plate structures of the brown base tubes correspond directly, but I lack a metal base B65/36 to inspect closely myself and confirm. The top mica construction however is clearly different between my metal and brown base L63.

The brown base B36 has the exact same internals as the brown base L63, with the top mica adapted to fit two triodes. Moreover, it seems from date codes that the metal base grey glass, symmetrical plates L63 are an older iteration; hard to see in the picture below, but it is HE/4= May 1952. The B36 with code LM/4 = December 1955 has new construction. I haven't seen any metal base with newer date codes, or brown base with older date codes as of yet. So I believe the change in construction occurred somewhere between 1952-55. If anyone has any L63 with date codes J or K to fill in the missing years, that would narrow it down even further!

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B36 from 1955, L63 from 1956 and L63 from 1952.
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Top mica positioning and heater spaces 'diagonal' opposing for the brown base B36 (left). Asymmetrical and larger holes in top mica on brown base L63 (centre) vs. completely symmetrical mica and smaller holes on metal base L63 (right).
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A pair of brown base B65 for sale on ebay right now with identical micas, getter and plates to the brown base B36.

Further searching for past sales, it seems only the clear glass(!) B65/B36 (2nd from left) has a symmetrical top mica and plate orientation as per the metal base L63; the grey glass metal base B65/36s have the same top mica construction as the brown base B65/36 and L63.

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So now I'm wondering; perhaps the grey glass B65s actually have asymmetrical plates hidden inside them?
 
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May 17, 2021 at 10:52 AM Post #1,528 of 4,200
In an attempt to complement this superb photo, here are all the designs of the brown base L63/CV1067 I have. They sure knew how to make pretty labels!
1621252883785.png
Something interesting I noticed is the two main types of construction on MOV L63 tubes. All the brown base clear glass L63 I have have the 'half' plate construction, best seen on the rightmost tube above. However, in all L63 tubes which have grey glass, and those with metal skirts, or both grey and metal, they seem to have the full, symmetrical plates.
KhwWLMaCKdHkKKjhex9qmYLubwHLsmwOcE8aXsBcHAGtuKOp2olRmu_fpfHXXO8lmlWrBJDouPGglQIDVHywpggvD6hS0dAuCsKQQTO0yyQ0byR-fOO_KWVYufhRFzbTaO7Goxhp

A picture of clear glass L63 that were for sale a while ago, the only MOV L63 like this I have seen so far, that show the plates of metal skirt L63 which are otherwise grey glass.


Two versions of the B65/36 also exist; brown base clear glass, and metal base grey or clear glass. From what I have found, the plate structures of the brown base tubes correspond directly, but I lack a metal base B65/36 to inspect closely myself and confirm. The top mica construction however is clearly different between my metal and brown base L63.

The brown base B36 has the exact same internals as the brown base L63, with the top mica adapted to fit two triodes. Moreover, it seems from date codes that the metal base grey glass, symmetrical plates L63 are an older iteration; hard to see in the picture below, but it is HE/4= May 1952. The B36 with code LM/4 = December 1955 has new construction. I haven't seen any metal base with newer date codes, or brown base with older date codes as of yet. So I believe the change in construction occurred somewhere between 1952-55. If anyone has any L63 with date codes J or K to fill in the missing years, that would narrow it down even further!

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B36 from 1955, L63 from 1956 and L63 from 1952.
1621253423337.png
Top mica positioning and heater spaces 'diagonal' opposing for the brown base B36 (left). Asymmetrical and larger holes in top mica on brown base L63 (centre) vs. completely symmetrical mica and smaller holes on metal base L63 (right).
1621254341404.png
A pair of brown base B65 for sale on ebay right now with identical micas, getter and plates to the brown base B36.

Further searching for past sales, it seems only the clear glass(!) B65/B36 (2nd from left) has a symmetrical top mica and plate orientation as per the metal base L63; the grey glass metal base B65/36s have the same top mica construction as the brown base B65/36 and L63.

1621254935336.png

So now I'm wondering; perhaps the grey glass B65s actually have asymmetrical plates hidden inside them?
Very nice! I will read again properly later today. There was also a year/month when they switched from inverted cup getter to D getter (around 1958 I think), and from D getter to O getter (late 60's - when only making brown base/tall glass with O getter).
 
May 17, 2021 at 11:21 AM Post #1,529 of 4,200
@tintinsnowydog

My B65 looks like this:

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Unfortunately the top mica and plates are almost impossible to photograph because so much getter has burned off and re-deposited at the top of the glass. This tube has probably seen several thousand hours of operation before it passed into my hands. From what I can see my mica looks different than any of the ones you can see clearly in your photos. The slots are angled differently and the heat radiator fins are mounted differently. The glass coating is thick enough on this tube that it's hard to see the plates, but from the outline I can see the plates appear symmetrical on this one.
 
May 18, 2021 at 7:36 PM Post #1,530 of 4,200
Something interesting I noticed is the two main types of construction on MOV L63 tubes. All the brown base clear glass L63 I have have the 'half' plate construction, best seen on the rightmost tube above. However, in all L63 tubes which have grey glass, and those with metal skirts, or both grey and metal, they seem to have the full, symmetrical plates.
KhwWLMaCKdHkKKjhex9qmYLubwHLsmwOcE8aXsBcHAGtuKOp2olRmu_fpfHXXO8lmlWrBJDouPGglQIDVHywpggvD6hS0dAuCsKQQTO0yyQ0byR-fOO_KWVYufhRFzbTaO7Goxhp

A picture of clear glass L63 that were for sale a while ago, the only MOV L63 like this I have seen so far, that show the plates of metal skirt L63 which are otherwise grey glass.


Two versions of the B65/36 also exist; brown base clear glass, and metal base grey or clear glass. From what I have found, the plate structures of the brown base tubes correspond directly, but I lack a metal base B65/36 to inspect closely myself and confirm. The top mica construction however is clearly different between my metal and brown base L63.

The brown base B36 has the exact same internals as the brown base L63, with the top mica adapted to fit two triodes. Moreover, it seems from date codes that the metal base grey glass, symmetrical plates L63 are an older iteration; hard to see in the picture below, but it is HE/4= May 1952. The B36 with code LM/4 = December 1955 has new construction. I haven't seen any metal base with newer date codes, or brown base with older date codes as of yet. So I believe the change in construction occurred somewhere between 1952-55. If anyone has any L63 with date codes J or K to fill in the missing years, that would narrow it down even further!


B36 from 1955, L63 from 1956 and L63 from 1952.

Top mica positioning and heater spaces 'diagonal' opposing for the brown base B36 (left). Asymmetrical and larger holes in top mica on brown base L63 (centre) vs. completely symmetrical mica and smaller holes on metal base L63 (right).

A pair of brown base B65 for sale on ebay right now with identical micas, getter and plates to the brown base B36.

Further searching for past sales, it seems only the clear glass(!) B65/B36 (2nd from left) has a symmetrical top mica and plate orientation as per the metal base L63; the grey glass metal base B65/36s have the same top mica construction as the brown base B65/36 and L63.



So now I'm wondering; perhaps the grey glass B65s actually have asymmetrical plates hidden inside them?
1. "Something interesting I noticed is the two main types of construction on MOV L63 tubes. All the brown base clear glass L63 I have have the 'half' plate construction, best seen on the rightmost tube above. However, in all L63 tubes which have grey glass, and those with metal skirts, or both grey and metal, they seem to have the full, symmetrical plates.".
- Good point!

2. "A picture of clear glass L63 that were for sale a while ago, the only MOV L63 like this I have seen so far, that show the plates of metal skirt L63 which are otherwise grey glass.".
- I think it was me who grabbed those. But now I'm thinking they might be Mullards! Check out the support rods.

3. "Two versions of the B65/36 also exist; brown base clear glass, and metal base grey or clear glass".
- Also black base grey glass. I have a few B65 UK and Holland black base grey glass with Marconi lettering.

4. "I lack a metal base B65/36 to inspect closely myself and confirm".
- I have metal base B65 and B36. Construction tends to be the same if the year of manufacture is the same. Ie beginning of 1952 (H) = cup getter, later in the year = D getter. (I have two grey glass black base B36 H date coded tubes - each with different getter type) I also have metal base Osram stickered B36 with cup getter and D getter. I need to check mica construction again.

5. "So I believe the change in construction occurred somewhere between 1952-55. If anyone has any L63 with date codes J or K to fill in the missing years, that would narrow it down even further!" I think it was June 1952 (see above) but I would need to double check. Disclaimer: GEC/MOV have been known to mix and match tubes with whatever parts they could find! For example, I have a GEC 6AS7G with a D getter. Most have a cup getter.
 
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