The JPS Labs: Abyss AB-1266 Impressions Thread
Jul 14, 2021 at 8:25 PM Post #16,786 of 22,556
FWIIW,regarding amps for the TC I must say the formula s/powerman combo is marvelous....I wont argue with those who prefer speaker amps because these things are subjective but in terms of HP amps I havent heard anything better for the TC..a really fabulous combination
 
Jul 14, 2021 at 9:00 PM Post #16,787 of 22,556
FWIIW,regarding amps for the TC I must say the formula s/powerman combo is marvelous....I wont argue with those who prefer speaker amps because these things are subjective but in terms of HP amps I havent heard anything better for the TC..a really fabulous combination

I'm extremely happy with the formula S and powerman. Sounds phenomenal
 
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Jul 15, 2021 at 12:08 AM Post #16,788 of 22,556
Did your wife get mad stealing tables for your amplifiers ,.Great write up and photo though.
Haha, we have like 5 of those tiny Ikea tables, so wasn’t a problem, even if I had to fetch them from around the house.
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 1:01 AM Post #16,789 of 22,556
Haha, we have like 5 of those tiny Ikea tables, so wasn’t a problem, even if I had to fetch them from around the house.
I have Ikea tables as well, but please be aware that they are not much different than cardboard pizza boxes with legs. Check out google images to see what's inside.
For sure I would not put heavy equipment on them, or assume there is any vibration absorption.
 

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Jul 15, 2021 at 1:38 AM Post #16,791 of 22,556
I have Ikea tables as well, but please be aware that they are not much different than cardboard pizza boxes with legs. Check out google images to see what's inside.
For sure I would not put heavy equipment on them, or assume there is any vibration absorption.
I am aware they are crap, but so far they have been pretty stable, even with 30kg amp. But thanks for warning me.
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 2:40 AM Post #16,792 of 22,556
picking out weaknesses regarding the Tc or susvara is like looking for weaknesses in a mercedes or BMW....the TC is pretty extraordinary but like everything not perfect...I await the perfect HP or the perfect anything
Lamborghinis are crappy offroad cars.
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 2:46 AM Post #16,793 of 22,556
Super conductor cable owners....are you wrapping the cables with anything to keep them together so they don't split? I have been using black thermal tape on the stock cable lol

Interested what everyone is using
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 2:53 AM Post #16,794 of 22,556
Jul 15, 2021 at 4:14 AM Post #16,795 of 22,556
Super conductor cable owners....are you wrapping the cables with anything to keep them together so they don't split? I have been using black thermal tape on the stock cable lol
That's what I did with Superconductor cable for my Diana V2, worked well enough, haha.
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 8:00 AM Post #16,797 of 22,556
Do you happen to know a dealer in Switzerland that sells the Riviera AIC-10?
There isn't one. This head-fier got it via a Swiss dealer, who tried working with Riviera, but for reasons of not selling enough amps from them stopped doing it. This was like 2-3 years ago. I reached out to German and Austrian distributors, they send me their price list and said that they are considering distribution to Switzerland, but haven't discussed it with Riviera yet. When I asked about ETA, got no response from them. I also do not know if they are willing to deduct German/Austrian VAT, so you only pay import tax and Swiss VAT.
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 8:01 AM Post #16,798 of 22,556
Viva Egoista 845 vs Riviera AIC-10 headphone amplifiers

Thanks to a fellow head-fier, who brought his Riviera AIC-10 to my house, I was able to compare it to Viva Egoista 845 and I must say that I am impressed. I will go into more detail once I acquire my own, BUT I can already say, that AIC-10 is what I was looking for in an amp pairing, hence I made a contractual commitment to buy one.

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dCS Bartók and Viva Egoista 845

Bartok has very detailed, transparent and neutral SS amplifier, capable of driving AB-1266 with more authority, than as twice as powerful Hugo TT 2 (out of its rear XLRs). Adding Viva to it, makes it more technically impressive - bass tightens up and is more controlled/articulate/layered, the resolution and detail retrieval improves further, and soundstage becomes more holographic as well. I would call these improvements (for AB-1266) anywhere between 10-20% over what I get direct out of Bartok. Worth the 12'500 EUR price? Well, no, not really. However, if your DAC does not have a capable headphone out (Bartok certainly does), I would definitely recommend Viva to you, as it is the most transparent headphone amplifier I have heard. If you are curious how it changes Susvara, which needs more power than 1266, then guess - it does exactly what it did to 1266, it improves its technicalities, and that's it. If you are happy with the way your headphones sound already, you just want to take it a level or two higher, for sure get Viva!

What I am trying to achieve

Some of you may know what sound signature I am after (if you read my other impressions in my signature), and that I like Valkyria for its meaty mids, which gives me a wonderful experience with pianos and strings. BUT the best mids I have ever heard were Sennheiser HE-1, those were to die for, especially because they were presented in such an intimate way. Because of this, I have been toying with the idea of getting myself a second pair of headphones. I tried Focal Utopia, Hifiman Susvara and Spirit Torino Valkyria, but for EDM, I was always coming back to AB-1266. How can I achieve HE-1's mids with 1266? Is that even possible? I did not like Utopia's bass (not detailed/layered enough), I did not like Susvara's build quality and the stock cable (can be replaced of course), and with Valkyria, the design is over the top (and price is quite steep). What I am trying to say here, is that I always kept coming back to 1266, even if it was flawed in the mids. People told me about Superconductor cable, and I am definitely considering it.

Riviera AIC-10

BUT, I am happy to say, Riviera AIC-10 (to my ears) makes mids sound like they did on HE-1 (comparing from memory of course, so take this with a grain of salt). AIC-10 is not as transparent as Viva, and it does change the presentation. What impressed me with Riviera was how "meaty" the mids became, so so so different from stock 1266. If I could record them for you (just the mids), I don't think you would recognise them, nor attribute them to 1266. They keep the resolution 1266 is known for, but singer is no longer singing from a hallway, but in front of you in a small club, with very little reverb. This is exactly what I remember from HE-1, the intimacy of mids. As opposed to Viva, which made V/U shape just sound more prominent, Riviera changes that presentation to more neutral/natural way. I knew a presentation like this is possible by "just get a tube amp", but I was worried that a tube amp of this sort would loose its resolution and bass precision, well, Riviera does not sound as sharp as Viva, but it still is refined and well defined, but again, I come to the same conclusion - it is meatier.

Music pairing

If you ask me, Viva Egoista 845 and Riviera AIC-10 do sound different, and the pairing will depend on what you want to achieve (or fix in my case). If you like how your source chain sounds, and the headphones you own are perfect to you, meaning you don't want to change anything, definitely get Viva, it is much more transparent / not changing timbre/tonality type of amplifier - AND IT LOOKS gorgeous. Riviera on the other hands, fix what I have been trying to fix with 1266. Would I recommend the amplifier for other headphones? Hard to say, I did not have enough time to listen with Susvara, Utopia nor Valkyria. BUT for me, Riviera does what I wanted all the way - make 1266 a good headphone for Max Payne piano soundtrack, The Weeknd vocal heavy synth pop, and Linking Park indie rock. Will it replace Bartok for vocal less cold EDM? I don't think so, that one is more holographic and colder in presentation (in comparison).

Summary

I know many of you will fundamentally disagree here with me. I should get absolutely transparent source (dac+amp) and then a headphone, that presents it in a way that is again, transparent. But please note, that for me, I am after a certain sound signature, that plays well with music I listen to. For EDM, 1266 is the best headphone. For othet genres that are instrument / vocal focused, I found 1266 lacking. I tried to fix it with other headphones, but those I found lacking too. But now, with Riviera, I found a fix for my favourite headphone, that finally makes it sound like I can make it all with one headphone, no need for swapping (well, headphone swapping, I still need to swap amps, haha). If I could, I would keep both Viva Egoista 845 for EDM, and Riviera AIC-10 for the rest. But that's too much money for me, especially if Bartok is Viva minus 20%, I cannot justify keeping both. If I did not have Bartok with a good enough amplifier, I would definitely chose both. If I was buying other headphone, I would most likely chose more transparent Viva. But for 1266 owners, really, give Riviera a listen, it is that good.

Boring part
I put this last, as most of you already know it. Viva Egoista 845 is a huge 30kg monster, that functions as a space heater, as those 845 tubes are always on. Riviera AIC-10 on the other hand is a hybrid amplifier, that only weights 15kg and runs much cooler. Looks, Viva is something special, you can chose any automotive colour you want. Riviera comes in two colours, and even though my Bartok and Abyss are black, I prefer Riviera gold, it looks very classy in person, not as crazy as Viva. As for tube rolling, Viva does not recommend it, and claims it is better to trust their selection (they tube rolled in the factory). Riviera is of no opinion of sort and you are free to tube roll as much as you want and some people report great results, taking the amp directions needed for headphone pairings (more warmth, less warmth, stuff like that).
Great writing and exactly information that I need, thank you!
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 9:19 AM Post #16,799 of 22,556
@Gadget67 @slefr just wanted to let you know that Viva sent me new driver tubes and all the hum is gone now. At no volume knob position I hear any hum coming out of any headphone, pitch black now. What a rollecestor (first patina on 845, then driver tubes going bad), but Viva and their dealer have some amazing customer service, all resolved in the matter of days (as fast as shipping allowed).
 
Jul 15, 2021 at 11:33 AM Post #16,800 of 22,556
@mammal , I will be interested in seeing what tubes you try with the Riviera. I just bought a slightly used AIC-10 from @F208Frank . Love it with my Phi (pre CC even).

Will you be getting the new AIC-10 Bal? Balanced version is new on their website.

Also, word is, speaker taps out of Riviera is better with Abyss. HP out has some extra resistor. I'll be trying that eventually, once I can swing a JPS Soperconductor speaker tap adapter..
 
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