| Originally Posted by yo43 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ok, I spent some time going through that massive PFE thread and some others using search, and two HF members, cn11 and Kobayashi, pretty much said the PFEs were garbage. In fact, cn11's post was in a thread about the worst headphones you ever purchased, and he listed the PFEs. I am sure there are more. Again, my point was not to bash the PFEs at all, because they appear to be a decent product. My point was that one man's garbage can be another person's perfectly acceptable piece of gear - if you know that you are buying. |
| Originally Posted by yo43 /img/forum/go_quote.gif dfkt has credibility, sure. But he is also the same person who has trashed the RE0 as pretty much worthless junk |
| The RE0 are very nice dynamic driver in-ear phones. Actually they’re among the most balanced and precise I’ve heard so far (no, unfortunately I haven’t heard the Sennheiser IE8 yet). (...) |
| Originally Posted by Bengkia369 /img/forum/go_quote.gif look how cheapskate this player looks! What! this ish year 2010 still using this kind of LED screen?! for me, i would throw this damn thing inside the rubbish bin! 
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| Originally Posted by Dreamnine /img/forum/go_quote.gif If dfkt says it's 5hit, then it's 5hit. End of. |
| Originally Posted by yo43 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Ok, I spent some time going through that massive PFE thread and some others using search, and two HF members, cn11 and Kobayashi, pretty much said the PFEs were garbage. In fact, cn11's post was in a thread about the worst headphones you ever purchased, and he listed the PFEs. I am sure there are more. Again, my point was not to bash the PFEs at all, because they appear to be a decent product. My point was that one man's garbage can be another person's perfectly acceptable piece of gear - if you know that you are buying. |
| Originally Posted by yo43 /img/forum/go_quote.gif Cheap shots are not needed, but I guess I would consider the original review to be a prototypical example of a cheap shot. Yes, the Amp3 was certainly far from fully baked. Yet, several respected HFers (no need to list them all), not shills or straw men, bought it and liked it, but also pointed out its many fruistrations and imperfections if you read the entire Amp3 thread. The timing of this review is laughable, as is the idea that because the Amp3 was flawed its sellers/makers are criminals, and there is no chance there will be any improvements in upcoming HSA models. The review had little value at all in fact. Those who like dfkt think HSA products are garbage will feel good about not buying, and those of us who see the promise coming from the original Amp3 feel much differently. Shigzeo is right. They are trying to develop new products, and either they will sink or swim. But no one deserves the harsh treatment that came from that review, especially since there are credible HFers on the other side of the issue, and their opinions count for something too. |
| Originally Posted by dfkt /img/forum/go_quote.gif So everyone and their dog have been feverishly awaiting the arrival of the new Jesus players for audiophiles, the HiSoundAudio RoCoo and AMP3 PRO2, or STUDIO 1, or HAROLD, or whatever it's called. I don't care; I'm too lazy to look up what fancy names they made up to extract some more money from your wallet. I borrowed the older AMP3 PRO1 from a friend, and I'm speechless that it's actually worse than I thought it would be. A lot worse. A lot. 
So the con artists who made that piece of crap allegedly stuck some "Class A" amp in it and called it a day. No wait, I give you the whole marketspeech drivel, it's even more awesome. That hunk of junk has a: "PDAA - Portable Digital Acoustic Amplifier". Sounds super manly and all astonishing and science-y, eh? Too bad it actually sounds worse than your average decent brand player. I've tested it against the Sansa Clip and the Cowon S9, volume-matched to within 0.5dB - and both sound better than the AMP3, no matter what phones. Well, with IEMs the AMP3 is actually completely unusable, it hisses more than the FiiO E3 or the Minibox-E+. The hiss is louder than on any other player I've ever heard - and that includes $5 DealExtreme players. It hisses constantly, and it hisses and warbles some more when accessing the memory. "Class A", my ass. How about building an MP3 player that actually works, not some useless piece of crap sold with the help of fancy sounding rubbish and lies? 
The firmware matches the rest of the stinker. It's something some script kiddie cobbled together on a spare afternoon it seems. The player has extremely slow bootup, a sluggish UI, terrible usability, an awful file browser, and the list goes on. It's almost impossible finding an audio track with the sorry excuse of the braindead mix of ID3 and folder browsing they implemented on the crappy 3-line display. The player crashed on me a few times, and the ripoff iPod Shuffle controls are abysmal to operate. They react to every 3rd or 4th press if you're lucky. It's plain pathetic, only a true con artist would sell such a piece of garbage for that ridiculous price, and have the nerve to call it an "audiophile" product. I pity the poor souls that fell for all these lies. But then again there's a lot of peer pressure on forums, and rarely anybody likes to admit that they fell for a scam - and so the lies spread. Anyways, enough of that - this player has no redeeming features. None at all, it's all bad, sad, and pathetic about it. Well, the battery life should be nice. No wonder since it's such a brick. The AMP3 PRO1 is so extremely bad in every aspect; it's the ultimate in "Emperor's New Clothes". Just needs a $500 cryo-treated USB cable that matches the player. But seriously, I hope this writeup serves as a warning to people who are actually considering buying some dubious piece of hardware from some shady Chinese manufacturer with no moral standards (and their European or American strawmen). Here's my RMAA test of that pathetic piece of junk: RMAA - AMP3 vs. Sansa Clip+. Results aren't even mediocre. I don't think I have to add anything to that. Frequency response: 
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| Originally Posted by swanlee /img/forum/go_quote.gif Hopefully the newer models will live up the the billing the original got, but if you charge a high price for a supposed audiophile grade portable player and fall so short on almost every level you definitely deserve some backlash. No player that costs as much as the AMP3 should measure so badly or be so limited in what headphones you can effectively use with it like it is or have an interface as bad is this player. |
| Originally Posted by shigzeo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Sounded? Not using those headphones any more? Are you in Busan? |
| Originally Posted by markt /img/forum/go_quote.gif I don't believe what I just have read. ... |
| Originally Posted by cn11 /img/forum/go_quote.gif dftk- I wanted to take a moment and let you know that I agree 100% with your thoughts here. Kudos for having the courage to post something like this, your honest, genuine impressions/disappointment. I posted my criticisms early in the amp3 thread (yes, I had to try it out based on all the flying hype at the time, but wound up returning it based on all the same points you share here), and took a lot of heat for my 'dissenting' opinions... very similar to the heat you're taking from newbie yo43. I appreciate your willingness to just tell the truth the way you hear it. |
