The Extreme has arrived!

Dec 31, 2006 at 3:25 AM Post #136 of 428
Thanks for the assist guys .... that is teamwork.
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Here you go jamato .... this amp was a one off as the team commented. I sent the amp off to be transformer coupled as an experiment but it ended up becoming the Extreme's dad.
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The "Beast" began life as a special prototype old chassis Supra using a high voltage power supply and was dubbed the Supra-X. The X was code for extra bass I am told. I bought this amp used from head-fier Hirsch .... thank you, thank you. For probably a couple years now I had been trying to get Mikhail to build a 6as7/6080 amp. Since he ended up with a large quantity of these tubes when he bought out a tube dealer .... he decided now was the time. I entrusted my Supra to him and let him come up with a circuit to use the 6as7/ 6080 series of tubes.

He tried a transformer coupled model but it had to much power plate coupled .... for headphones. He then tried cathode coupling the transformer but the amp sounded .... well bad according to Mikhail. He thought about going back to 6bl7gta's and transformer coupling them. But he wanted to keep working with the big power tubes. He kept working on the circuit and went back to an OTL design. But dropping the voltage from 600 volts to 150 for the 6as7 type tubes was generating a massive amount of heat.

The amp has a coolng fan but he still thought the amp was running to hot. He drilled holes in the chassis, added a second internal transformer and deregulated the output stage. This handled the heat and extra heater current draw. He then made a somewhat radical change I cant comment on .... and finally the whole circuit came together. Using what he learned with this Supra he produced a scaled down power supply with the same basic circuit and the Extreme was born. Since this amp was designed from the ground up he used a lower voltage power transformer and the heat issue inherent with the "Beast" is not an issue with the Extreme.

For those of you still waiting on your amp .... which is everyone but me.
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I have good news. He figured out a way to make the amp circuit run even cooler with a simple parts change to a more rugged, higher voltage part .... so expect an even cooler running amp. Since heat is every amps enemy the change may even result in a more reliable amp too.

The guy just never quits making them better.
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Dec 31, 2006 at 3:30 AM Post #137 of 428
With several people talking about using 7062 tubes - has anyone tried one of the Amperex Pinched Waist versions yet? I loved them in my modded Denon 2900 from eXemplar Audio, as does Hirsch. Wonder if anyone else has them as they are quite rare, and a bit costly??
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Dec 31, 2006 at 3:44 AM Post #138 of 428
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With several people talking about using 7062 tubes - has anyone tried one of the Amperex Pinched Waist versions yet? I loved them in my modded Denon 2900 from eXemplar Audio, as does Hirsch. Wonder if anyone else has them as they are quite rare, and a bit costly??
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maybe ....

But I dont hear a big difference. I dont hear much of a difference between the non-pinched waist Holland made Amperex 7062's and the USA made 7062's either. They all sound very good. The Philips SQ 7062/ E180CC is a nice tube too. I havent tracked down any Mullard 7062/ E180CC's yet.
 
Dec 31, 2006 at 4:28 AM Post #139 of 428
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maybe ....

But I dont hear a big difference. I dont hear much of a difference between the non-pinched waist Holland made Amperex 7062's and the USA made 7062's either. They all sound very good. The Philips SQ 7062/ E180CC is a nice tube too. I havent tracked down any Mullard 7062/ E180CC's yet.



Which series of pinched waist did you have? I've got IV0, the original and oldest, IV2, IV3, and IV4. The original series are probably the best, IV0, but I haven't had much of a chance to compare them extensively.

I have (6) Mullard E180CC left as of now. Want to borrow a pair for a while?
 
Dec 31, 2006 at 4:44 AM Post #140 of 428
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Which series of pinched waist did you have? I've got IV0, the original and oldest, IV2, IV3, and IV4. The original series are probably the best, IV0, but I haven't had much of a chance to compare them extensively.

I have (6) Mullard E180CC left as of now. Want to borrow a pair for a while?



I am not sure as the print isnt very good. They look older and one was noisy .... not that that can tell you anything. Is there some designation stamped or etched somewhere. I am actually assuming they are pinched waist because every other Amperex USA or Holland I have is a perfect straight bottle.


I have (6) Mullard E180CC left as of now. Want to borrow a pair for a while.

Does a fatman turn away a pepperoni pizza?
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Sure .... but I only need one.
 
Dec 31, 2006 at 5:11 AM Post #141 of 428
Earl,

Just PM me your address again and I'll fire off the Mullard tube next week. Make sure to post on how it sounds in some thread as I'm sure a lot of people would like to know how it performs.

I also have a TON of 5965 variants I want to tryout some day. Some Sylvania gold pin variants have been awaiting their turn, and once our guests leave I'll start swapping tubes and cables around to find the combo I like.
 
Dec 31, 2006 at 5:23 AM Post #142 of 428
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Earl,

Just PM me your address again and I'll fire off the Mullard tube next week. Make sure to post on how it sounds in some thread as I'm sure a lot of people would like to know how it performs.

I also have a TON of 5965 variants I want to tryout some day. Some Sylvania gold pin variants have been awaiting their turn, and once our guests leave I'll start swapping tubes and cables around to find the combo I like.



Will do .... thanks. I have all the 5965,6414,6829,7062 and 12av7 tubes in several brands. I have been posting in the SP tuberolling thread which ones I like.
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Dec 31, 2006 at 12:37 PM Post #143 of 428
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I asked about the amps


Ask about mine! I am afraid too bug him! You will want to fly to DC. to listen to it.
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And the K340s are head and shoulders above anything I have ever listened to before. So with a ballanced amp and alot more Power I am hopeing these things will be on par with the best out there (Quietly wispers like the R 10
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last night when I ordered another adapter.


What addapter do you have comming now Earl?
 
Dec 31, 2006 at 6:43 PM Post #144 of 428
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Ask about mine! I am afraid too bug him! You will want to fly to DC. to listen to it.
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And the K340s are head and shoulders above anything I have ever listened to before. So with a ballanced amp and alot more Power I am hopeing these things will be on par with the best out there (Quietly wispers like the R 10
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What addapter do you have comming now Earl?




Another ECC TYPE#1. I would suspect a second 2C51 adapter is a distinct possibility as well.
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Jan 1, 2007 at 8:53 PM Post #145 of 428
More impressions ....

I have to say I am surprised how much the senn 580/600's scale with the Extreme and the "Beast". Anyone who thinks the senn 580 is to slow, dynamically challenged and veiled .... or cant do rock .... needs to hear the 580 on either of these amps. The dynamics are grado like. In fact, the 580 seems to have more kick than the M2Si now that I have 6528a output tubes in the " Beast" .... and the 2c51/ 6080 combo in the Extreme.
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The bass control provided by these amps takes away any excess bass or bloat giving a quick, explosive character to the bass. The treble dynamics are completely transformed too; no recession whatsoever.

The senn 595 is not scaling quite as well, seemingly, because this headphone already has a clean controlled bass, excellent dynamics and more treble clarity. With the 595 the improvement is focused on the soundstage with an increased soundstage size and more air to the sound. The 2c51 I am using right now is a brighter tube and the brightness can make the 595 sound a tad raw though. The 595 sounds best to me with a 7N7/ 5998 combination. Picking between these two headphones with optimal tube sets will be tough .... if I even can pick a favorite.

Since I have went back to an old favorite in the "Beast" .... the RCA 6cg7 clear top for gain .... combined with the ultra powerful 6528 outputs .... I am getting the same explosiveness and speed from the 580 but with a warmer tone and more refinement. I lose just a little soundstage with this tube but the amp inherently throws such a large soundstage the loss is barely noticeable. From my experiences so far .... the 6528 needs a brighter and more dynamic gain tube with plenty of current drive. The 6cg7 seems like the perfect choice in my setup.
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Jan 2, 2007 at 11:36 AM Post #146 of 428
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More impressions ....

I have to say I am surprised how much the senn 580/600's scale with the Extreme and the "Beast". Anyone who thinks the senn 580 is to slow, dynamically challenged and veiled .... or cant do rock .... needs to hear the 580 on either of these amps. The dynamics are grado like. In fact, the 580 seems to have more kick than the M2Si now that I have 6528a output tubes in the " Beast" .... and the 2c51/ 6080 combo in the Extreme.
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The bass control provided by these amps takes away any excess bass or bloat giving a quick, explosive character to the bass. The treble dynamics are completely transformed too; no recession whatsoever.



Earl I find the 2c51 to lack any bazooka drum transients "Hard hitting kick drums for example" when compaired to my RCA 12AV7, do you think your high output tubes are making up the differance here as compaired to my MPX3 with 6BL7GTs? Because I want to love this tube!
 
Jan 4, 2007 at 4:18 AM Post #147 of 428
I asked Mikhail about some of the differences between the Extreme and the MPX3. He said in a brief email, so I am sure he is simplifying, that the primary difference between the MPX3 and the Extreme is in the refinement of the MPX3 versus the impact of the Extreme. Both have good levels of detail and an excellent wide sound stage, which is even further enhanced by the platinum edition for the Extreme and the SE version for the MPX3. He described the Extreme as an amp with great impact and fun sonics.

It almost sounds like the Extreme is a Grado headphone.
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Any more comments about the Extreme v. the MPX3. In terms of singlepower hierarchy, it seems that it would go PPX3, Extreme, and then MPX3. Does this seem right?
 
Jan 4, 2007 at 5:59 AM Post #149 of 428
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Hoping for delivery within 40 hrs
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Was yours shipped? I am waiting to hear from Mikhail that mine is ready to ship out, since I need to coordinate with my dad receiving it in PA for for me.
 

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