The best headphone in the world ???

[Azure]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller By any chance do you work for them, or did you get any good deal in exchange for that "fanboyism" ???

I've questioned him about this before, and he's always responded in the negative. Hmm...for some reason I still feel the need to keep asking him...

 

[Patrick82]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller Honestly with all due respect, I do not need to. And OTOH, I do not think that you will find a person silly enough to spend that insane amount of money, and correct me if I'm wrong, without the posibility of returning a product (I was not able to find anything about satisfaction warranty or returning period on their website, please if they do, provide me the link)....Also I do not think that it will be too hard to understand that a person that did that, and has no other choise, will try to justify the investment later on...And the last point I'm getting sick of that in any thread I jump in, I saw you trying to push those stupid cables to everybody, cables that 90% of us can not afford, as they have an stupidly insane price tag.....I have another question for you: By any chance do you work for them, or did you get any good deal in exchange for that "fanboyism" ??? That is the only explanation that my little rusty brain gave me....

I "pushed them" way before I bought twice as much of them. So I'm not trying to justify anything. I even said in a post that I will buy another Valhalla for my computer after I made A/B-ing with other cables.

I don't work for them, I just know a good investment when I see it. Valhalla power cord gives the most for the money, you can own them a lifetime and can still use them when upgrading your gear. But in my experience better gear isn't needed because Valhalla makes them all sound the same anyway.

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller FYI I have heard the K-1000 in a few setups, even good balanced setups, dual monoblocks, etc....Nik sold it for that same reason, IIRC, after trying it, in problably some of the best setups money can buy (BTW far better than yours) and I know for a fact, that it is not easy to make it sound full.

You need to know how audio works. You can't just buy something expensive and plug it in. No matter how much you pay you can never get better sound if you don't fix the root of the problems, you can only get a different form of coloration. High-end gear have good resonance control of the chassis and the manufacturer boosts up 10x the price. But you can just remove the vibrations from entering the chassis in the first place and save a lot of money.

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller I like it, it is a very nice sounding headphone, and with a huge soundstage, do not misunderstand me, but the low end is completelly lacking, you need more, and a lot more, than a good cable to make it sound full, as you are claiming....Some members here use subwoofer to compensate it, so go and figure....

I never said about the deep bass. I guess for some people deep bass is all that matters and they sacrifice everything else for it. I worry more about 50-20 000Hz than getting 30-50 Hz by using pads that give boomy reflections. It is physically impossible to get deep bass with K1000.


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Originally Posted by Sovkiller Just sell one of those stupid cables, IIRC you have spent $21,000 on them, so what is a miserable $2000.00 ticket in comparison???

If you would try the cables you wouldn't sell them, trust me.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 I don't work for them, I just know a good investment when I see it. Valhalla power cord gives the most for the money, you can own them a lifetime and can still use them when upgrading your gear. But in my experience better gear isn't needed because Valhalla makes them all sound the same anyway. You need to know how audio works. You can't just buy something expensive and plug it in. No matter how much you pay you can never get better sound if you don't fix the root of the problems, you can only get a different form of coloration. High-end gear have good resonance control of the chassis and the manufacturer boosts up 10x the price. But you can just remove the vibrations from entering the chassis in the first place and save a lot of money.

Sorry to derail this thread a little bit more, and this will be my last post and argument with you man, you are simply amazing!!!! And these two statements in bold resume all what you have said, and are IMO, your greatest hits till now, honestly.
Patrick, are you saying that just because you use the same power cord, two different systems that initially sounded different, will sound alike, because two different systems, should sound different, and later on you dare to tell us that we need to know how audio works....that is a good one, man!!!!

I think that you need to go and read a little bit more about audio man, a power cord will improve absolutely nothing that was not there before...period!!!! FYI and for all the power cable believers, one more time, circuits in audio gear work with DC, not with AC, once you convert AC into DC, and properly filter it, with a good PSU, there is absolutely nothing that a cable can improve there, you can keep on wasting money in power cords all your life, that will not constitute any evidence, of any improvement, and that will only make some manufacturers richer, and your wallet more miserable...And sorry but nobody will convince me, and had not convinced me till now of the opposite. IMO, and in others, with more technical background that mine, if a cable is able to improve something you need a better filtering and a better PSU...period!!!!

 

[Azure]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 If you would try the cables you wouldn't sell them, trust me.

SERIOUSLY, you've got to get yourself to some meet of some sort and let others try out this "miracle" cable that you worship so much. Otherwise, you're pretty much out of luck trying to convince others that the cable is as good as you say it is (And I doubt anyone here would plunk down the money just to see if your impressions are accurate). Hook up with some other head-fiers, get to some sort of meet, do SOMETHING so that others can hear this cable. Without any of this, and with your constant praise/plug of this cable, you sound like a the quintessence of a fan boy, IMO.

 

[Patrick82]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller Sorry to derail this thread a little bit more, and this will be my last post and argument with you man, you are simply amazing!!!! And these two statements in bold resume all what you have said, and are IMO, your greatest hits till now, honestly. Patrick, are you saying that just because you use the same power cord, two different systems that initially sounded different, will sound alike, because two different systems, should sound different, and later on you dare to tell us that we need to know how audio works....that is a good one, man!!!! I think that you need to go and read a little bit more about audio man, a power cord will improve absolutely nothing that was not there before...period!!!! FYI and for all the power cable believers, one more time, circuits in audio gear work with DC, not with AC, once you convert AC into DC, and properly filter it, with a good PSU, there is absolutely nothing that a cable can improve there, you can keep on wasting money in power cords all your life, that will not constitute any evidence, of any improvement, and that will only make some manufacturers richer, and your wallet more miserable...And sorry but nobody will convince me, and had not convinced me till now of the opposite. IMO, and in others, with more technical background that mine, if a cable is able to improve something you need a better filtering and a better PSU...period!!!!

As I said, people believe what they want to believe to justify their audio system. The difference with me is that I don't believe in anything, I just listen. Others should do the same.

The equipment sound different because of how they handle dirty power and vibration by using different power supply and chassis. Remove the problems and they sound almost the same.

If you want to save money, get a $500 computer with Valhalla power cord instead of $4000 transport. It gives me better sound for far less money.
If you want to save even more, get Benchmark DAC1 with Valhalla power cord and 5 step vibration isolation.
Who doesn't want to save money? The one who has already spent tens of thousands on equipment with stock cables...

If you don't already own a pair of K1000 you don't want to believe for sure. I understand why you are upset in your responses.

 

[Azure]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 The difference with me is that I don't believe in anything, I just listen. Others should do the same.

Come to a meet so that others can also listen

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 The equipment sound different because of how they handle dirty power and vibration by using different power supply and chassis. Remove the problems and they sound almost the same.

False at all, equipment sound different because they uses different parts and different topology, and different design criteria...period, no cable in earth could change that...a power cord is not a better power supply BTW, a power conditioner is not a better PSU neither, you still need to convert the AC into DC, after those, and if the PSU is not good they will do nothing, and what makes a good PSU a good PSU, is to offer a good DC at the end, and not to receive a good AC at the beginning....

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If you want to save money, get a $500 computer with Valhalla power cord instead of $4000 transport. It gives me better sound for far less money. If you want to save even more, get Benchmark DAC1 with Valhalla power cord and 5 step vibration isolation. Who doesn't want to save money? The one who has already spent tens of thousands on equipment with stock cables...

BTW I do not need to spend $500.00 in a PC, (BTW mine cost me more than 500.00 and I do not even use it for audio, at all) nor in fantastic cables, that will do nothing, as I'm perfectly happy with my 350.00 source and Blue Jeans cables, and I enjoy my music immensely, (can you say the same) I prefer to spend the day enjoying it, that trying to listen this or that in the recordings, that has no solution, considering that the majority of the recordings, with a few exceptions not in the genres I like BTW, are not very well done, so spend insane amounts in gear is not the way to go IMO....5000 in CDs will offer me a lot more enjoyment...

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Originally Posted by Patrick82 If you don't already own a pair of K1000 you don't want to believe for sure. I understand why you are upset in your responses.

I do not own a pair of K-1000 because simply I do not consider them to be up to my standards, and to be my main headphone, for several sonic and personal reasons. BTW I could have gotten them about 5 years ago, while the prices where still reasonable, FYI last time I saw it, it sold in eBay in Germany for less than 300.00 IIRC about 6 months ago.....but simply I still prefer the CD3K by a good margin...and i own two pairs of them, so why bother....my only upgrade will be in favor of an R-10 if I found one some day for a good price...


[size=medium]Now I'm out, believe what you want, man!!![/size]

 

[Duggeh]

With all due respect geneltmen, there are already 3 or 4 threads where you cna take up debate with Patrick on his audio philosophy.

I just dont want to see this thread, however such it may be, pulled into an reapeat of those debates.

JM2SC

 

[Wmcmanus]

Guys, lets stop the arguments about cables now... please! This thread is intended to be about headphones. Patrick thinks that Nordost Valhallas make everything sound better (or the same, I'm not sure). So what? Good for him. Let it go.

At this point, please, no more posts about Nordost Valhalla (or anything else that carries an argumentative tone) in this thread. Any such posts will be deleted, so just let it go.

 

[Sovkiller]

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Originally Posted by Wmcmanus Guys, lets stop the arguments about cables now... please! This thread is intended to be about headphones. Patrick thinks that Nordost Valhallas make everything sound better (or the same, I'm not sure). So what? Good for him. Let it go. At this point, please, no more posts about Nordost Valhalla (or anything else that carries an argumentative tone) in this thread. Any such posts will be deleted, so just let it go.

Sorry Wayne, feel free to edit or delete any of my posts if you consider that necessary...no problems here....

 

[Wmcmanus]

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Originally Posted by Sovkiller Sorry Wayne, feel free to edit or delete any of my posts if you consider that necessary...no problems here....

No problems from me either.

I see no need to edit or delete any posts in this thread. It remained at least somewhat civil, but was heading in the wrong direction and needed to stop. That's all.