[sno1man]

Hopefully this is on topic. I'm from an odd demographic. I'm a bit too young to have been part of the beatles thing in the original go around.

However my dad was/is a huge fan and had all the LP's in original form and kept them in pretty pristine shape. For listening he used to transcribe all the albums he cared about to reel to reel tape and later to DAT.

When the CD's came out in 1987 he bought them all. He was however disappointed in how they sounded compared to his beloved LPs.

FFWD to 2009 and we got him the mono box set as a gift and he has never been happier and has been playing them non-stop.

Interestingly for me as a far more casual Beatles fan (with much respect for what they did) they weren't something that I would turn to by choice when i wanted to hear music.

However, hearing these cd's now has turned me in to a greater fan. However it's not the mono mixes that did it for me, but the discovery of how well the beatles albums worked as ALBUMS.

Most of my beatles exposure has been either via radio or the greatest hits packages (the blue and red sets)

I think because the Beatles progressed so far so fast, listening to say love me do beside come together didn't work as well.

However listening to Rubber Soul and Revolver as whole albums has increased my appreciation of them quite a bit. (my dad also swears those are the two greatest beatle albums)

 

[Jubei]

Oh well - maybe it is time I get myself a few proper Beatles albums - thinking Rubber Soul, Revolver and maybe Sgt Pepper.

 

[Qonmus]

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Originally Posted by sno1man /img/forum/go_quote.gif However listening to Rubber Soul and Revolver as whole albums has increased my appreciation of them quite a bit. (my dad also swears those are the two greatest beatle albums)

This is a common sentiment among Beatles fans I think. . .I don't think the sound has aged as well as Abbey Road, for example, but these are two of my favorites for sure.


On topic.

Listening to Hey Bulldog! in mono right now. . . Haven't listened to this song in several years. I will hopefully be able to give Sgt. Pepper a proper comparison later tonight (new mono remaster / 1987 remaster).

 

[chadbang]

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Originally Posted by fuseboxx /img/forum/go_quote.gif Is it just me or does the mono version of Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds sound especially "warped"? Like it's so drenched in reverb or something like that... Particularly noticeable during the chorus.

I heard this. Has to be a distortion of the "sample" file. Ahem.


RE: MARKL post. That's a beautifully written little essay, Markl. Expresses a lot of disappointment that I'm sure many of us feel about a by-gone era. For those who read it, first of all, Markl isn't OLD! Hehehe. He's just beyond his years in musical knowledge and wisdom. He's devoted his life to music and audio and if I'm going to respect anyone on the subject, it's Mark. Coming from a similar background, I also lament the death of the brick and mortar store. Those were great days. Magical. Does music have the same magic these days? Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed something new arrives. Right now it's just way too jumbled up. Everyone had to divide rock into their own little niche. Look at this ridiculous (partial!) list from wikipedia.
*Acid rock
*Alternative dance
*Alternative metal
*Alternative rock
*Anatolian rock
*Art punk
*Art rock
*Avant-garde metal
*Baroque pop
*Beat
*Bisrock
*Black metal
*Blackened death metal
*Blues-rock
*Brazilian rock
*Britpop
*Bubblegum pop
*C86
*Canterbury sound
*Cello rock
*Celtic punk
*Celtic metal
*Celtic rock
*Chicano rock
*Christcore
*Christian punk
*Christian rock
*Christian metal
*Christian ska
*Coldwave
*Comedy rock
*Country rock
*Cowpunk
*Crossover thrash
*Crust punk
*Cuddlecore
*Dance-punk
*Dance-rock
*Dark cabaret
*Darkwave
*Death 'n' roll
*Deathcore
*Deathgrind
*Death metal
*Death rock
*Doom metal
*Dream pop
*Dunedin sound
*Electric blues
*Electric folk
*Electro Punk
*Emo
*Experimental rock
*Folktronica
*Folk rock
*Folk metal
*Folk punk
*Freakbeat
*Funk rock
*Garage rock
*Garage punk
*German rock
*Glam metal
*Glam punk
*Glam rock
*Goregrind
*Gothic metal
*Gothic rock
*Grebo
*Grindcore
*Groove metal
*Group Sounds
*Grunge
*Gypsy punk
*Hatecore
*Hard rock
*Hardcore punk
*Heartland rock
*Heavy metal
*Horror punk
*Indie pop
*Indie rock
*Indorock
*Industrial folk song
*Industrial metal
*Industrial rock
*Instrumental rock
*Iranian rock
*J-ska
*Jam rock
*Jangle pop
*Jazz rock
*Jersey Shore sound
*Krautrock
*Latin rock
*Lo-fi
*Lovers rock
*Madchester
*Manguebeat
*Manila Sound
*Mathcore
*Math rock
*Medieval folk rock
*Medieval metal
*Melodic black metal
*Melodic death metal
*Melodic hardcore
*Metalcore
*Mod
*Mod revival
*Nardcore
*Nazi punk
*Neue Deutsche Welle
*Neo-classical metal
*Neo-folk
*Neo-Medieval music
*Neo-prog
*Neo-psychedelia
*New prog
*New Romantic
*New wave
*Nintendocore
*Noisecore
*Noise pop
*Noise rock
*No wave
*Nu metal
*Nu-folk
*Oi!
*Ostrock
*Pagan rock
*Paisley underground
*Pinoy rock
*Pirate Metal
*Pop punk
*Pop rock
*Pornogrind
*Post-punk
*Post-punk revival
*Post-hardcore
*Post-grunge
*Post-metal
*Post-rock
*Power pop
*Power metal
*Power violence
*Progressive folk
*Progressive metal
*Progressive rock
*Protopunk
*Power pop
*Psychedelic rock
*Psych-Folk
*Psychobilly

Jesus christ, it's all ROCK. So, I don't think rock is dead, per se, I think it's just currently suffering from SCHIZOPHRENIA! It just needs a good strong band with the same talent as the Beatles to revive it.

 

[jsaliga]

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[sno1man]

jsaliga, it's disappointing that you find the discussion you started not to your liking, but i'm not surprised.

I get that you want to talk about sound quality, but I dont think you can divorce people's experiences from this.

It get's to the fundamental point that people genuinely love the music being discussed here. If they didnt, they wouldn't give two hoots about the mono versus stereo mix and would be happy with 128k mp3's

Secondly it's very human to give personal context to help explain something that may not make rational or explainable sense. I'm certain that the mono mixes sound much better if for no other reason than the difference in the way my dad reacted to it "this is the beatles i remember"

anyway, peace and I'm sorry if I contributed to ruining your thread

 

[Qonmus]

halfway through Sgt. Pepper's at the moment. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds did sound strangely warped, though I still enjoyed it (I do everytime). Fixing a Hole sounded much better to me. The drums in the back towards the end of the song did sound much sharper than I remember. She's Leaving Home sounds a lot, uh, "airier", or whimsical. I think I noticed the most improvement on this track, actually.

This is my first time listening to the Beatles in mono, so that could have something to do with it, but based on "side 1" of Sgt. Pepper's I will go out on a limb and say these new masters are a marked improvement over the original cds.

 

[jsaliga]

Bye Head-Fi.

 

[Beagle]

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Originally Posted by jsaliga /img/forum/go_quote.gif As the topic starter I am a little disappointed at all the off topic posts......I did not start this thread for people to incessantly wax nostalgic or to wander off into the weeds on subjects that are tangenital to discussing these remasters and the music contained therein. If that is what you want to do then please respect my intentions here and take your off-topic chatter elsewhere.

If you think there's a problem, contact a moderator.

Sheesh, what a grouch..

 

[psikofunkster]

Hi people. for those in the UK where is the stereo boxset made? country?

 

[HipHopScribe]

Someone clearly has some control issues. It's not like someone came in here talking about the Steelers, this topic developed organically because of associations that the release of these remasters brought up, so I don't see the issue.

Back to the remasters, I haven't picked up any personally, money is tight, but a friend of mine got the mono boxset. So far, I only had a chance to listen to their first four albums, and it's the first time I've heard them in mono. I can definitely hear the benefits of mono for these early albums. Compared to the stereo versions I've had for years, for some reason, With The Beatles seemed to benefit the most in mono. The early Beatles albums are my least favorite, so I'm especially interested in hearing their middle albums in mono when I have the chance. Stereo for all of the albums will have to wait.

 

[Sordel]

I see the issue. Mark's response simply wasnt a proper response to the thread. Unfortunately, Jsal's attempts to get the thread back to the original subject ended up turning the thread into a thread about the ethics of threads, of which the internet has at least thirty million and rising.

The moral? If you want to derail any internet discussion you can, and if you want to get it back on the rails, you can't.

I believe that the mono sets available in the UK were manufactured in Japan - this is consistent with where the label was printed, and with the generally high standard of the LP cover facsimiles. It's difficult to be certain though.

 

[tstarn06]

X2 on the control thing. The Beatles impact was about music, but emotion too, coming of age, etc. Impossible to divorce the two in a discussion of these remasters (or these musicians), I think. I guess just because the OP isn't coming back, seems the thread can continue.

As for the remasters, weaving my way through the stereo set, and from a non-audiophile POV, they seem to really bring the original music into a finer focus, both SQ-wise and emotionally.

 

[psikofunkster]

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Originally Posted by Sordel /img/forum/go_quote.gif I see the issue. Mark's response simply wasnt a proper response to the thread. Unfortunately, Jsal's attempts to get the thread back to the original subject ended up turning the thread into a thread about the ethics of threads, of which the internet has at least thirty million and rising. The moral? If you want to derail any internet discussion you can, and if you want to get it back on the rails, you can't. I believe that the mono sets available in the UK were manufactured in Japan - this is consistent with where the label was printed, and with the generally high standard of the LP cover facsimiles. It's difficult to be certain though.

Hi Sordel, yes, all the monos were made in Japan, but the stereos are regional (more or less), the usa ones are printed in the usa, the canadian made in Canada.

but the UK ones? made in the Uk or made in Holland?

 

[phreaknupallnite]

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