[Solude]

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...does anyone else feel like hot treble (regardless of how much "perceived" detail it creates) is unnatural?

Hot anything is unnatural.  Too much treble, mids, bass can all push an instrument too far up in the mix.  Bass bump is generally less offensive though.

 

[3rdear]

The LCD2's treble has helped me to see the glare in the mids/lower treble/vocals in other phones.  I dig what it does, as it makes for a clean, crisp sound presentation unlike anything else I have.

 

[dailydoseofdaly]

I thought this was an LCD-2 thread? The last 5 pages should be tossed into the memory hole.
On Topic: I'm looking at the new LCD-2 with Rosewood as a compliment to HD800s. I tried an LCD-2 last year that wanted to crush my head. Some people mentioned the pads have changed. Is the new version more comfortable?

Draygonn I got my lcd2 last year abou this time, right before they switched to rev2. The pads are softer and have more give than the new rev bamboos that my buddy brought over last week. His are new pads so maybe they will break in some, but I don't remember my pads being near that firm when I got them.

 

[grokit]

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The last 5 pages should be tossed into the memory hole.

 

 

[sphinxvc]

What does this perceived detail phrase even mean?  

  It makes no sense.  

 

[Kojaku]

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What does this perceived detail phrase even mean?  

  It makes no sense.  

 
Many people seem to believe there is a greater amount of detail rendered by headphones with hotter treble response. This is probably due to higher level detail (cymbal splashes, tea-cup clatters, etc.) being realized primarily in the ten-thousands of the freq. response.  An overshoot on the 30hz has become the prime indicator of a headphone that polarizes headfiers between "sharp" and "crisp".
 
Kojaku

 

[maverickronin]

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What does this perceived detail phrase even mean?  

  It makes no sense.  

 
I usually take it to mean something focuses on little details, emphasizing them, pushing them to the front when they should be subtle, and sometimes creating fake "details" with subtle high frequency distortion like an exciter effect box does.
 
You can make pretty much anything sound more "detailed" that way because different frequency responses and other similar effects will shift your conscious attention to something different creating the impression of more or new "detail".

 

[Chris_Himself]

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What does this perceived detail phrase even mean?  

  It makes no sense.  

 
Perceived detail, well a lot of people believe that headphones really let them hear MORE. I mean unless you're listening to some horribly muddy cans, it doesn't put more of anything into your music, maybe some stuff just stands out more or you get a cleaner sound.
 
A lot of people buy into cans and amps because they hope to "unlock" something within a track.
 
Then theres you know.. artificial bass and stuff like that.
 
Sorry for the cable derail, I get a bit sensitive sometimes when that comes up. I'll take the blame for that one.

 

[barid]

Finally pulled the trigger on some LCD2's.  Now to see what all this talk is about.
 
Has anyone ordered a pair of the Rosewoods recently?  Was wondering what the actual turn around time was (2 weeks +/-).

 

[K3cT]

Has anyone compared the latest batch of R2s with the older pre-new connector version?
 
I'm rather tempted to try this latest revision. It's either that or the HD800 but having lived for a good while with the Sennheiser flagship, I'm still not convinced by their house sound yet. 

 

[sphinxvc]

I appreciate all the explanations, but I was actually talking about it in terms of semantics.  I guess what I'm trying to say is...
 
Perceived detail as opposed to what?  
 
The word perceived can refer to things in reality, as well as things exaggerated in reality, or even things imagined altogether.  Since we're trying to distinguish what's real compared to what's being exaggerated or spotlighted, maybe exaggerated detail or some phrase similar would a better.
 
 

 
Many people seem to believe there is a greater amount of detail rendered by headphones with hotter treble response. This is probably due to higher level detail (cymbal splashes, tea-cup clatters, etc.) being realized primarily in the ten-thousands of the freq. response.  

 

 
I get that this is what's being referred to, but the phrase "perceived detail" doesn't mean that.
 
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I usually take it to mean something focuses on little details, emphasizing them, pushing them to the front when they should be subtle, and sometimes creating fake "details" with subtle high frequency distortion like an exciter effect box does.
 
You can make pretty much anything sound more "detailed" that way because different frequency responses and other similar effects will shift your conscious attention to something different creating the impression of more or new "detail".

 
 
The red part, I usually attribute to a deficiency in staging or imaging, but I get your drift.  The blue part is really interesting.  I've never come across any high frequency distortion that "creates" that kind of detail.  Would be curious to know what components or headphones you have come across that do this, aside from an exciter effect box.  I'll be sure to listen to them next time I come across one.
 
Maybe I'm just being anal-retentive.  I figure we could call it extra-perceivable detail.  Or exo-perceivable detail?  

  That pretty much nails what we're trying to describe.

 

[grokit]

I think he means that attenuating and/or exaggerating certain frequencies draws your attention to these micro-details rather than creating them.

 

[Kojaku]

I appreciate all the explanations, but I was actually talking about it in terms of semantics.  I guess what I'm trying to say is...

Perceived detail as opposed to what?  

The word perceived can refer to things in reality, as well as things exaggerated in reality, or even things imagined altogether.  Since we're trying to distinguish what's real compared to what's being exaggerated or spotlighted, maybe exaggerated detail or some phrase similar would a better.



I get that this is what's being referred to, but the phrase "perceived detail" doesn't mean that.


The red part, I usually attribute to a deficiency in staging or imaging, but I get your drift.  The blue part is really interesting.  I've never come across any high frequency distortion that "creates" that kind of detail.  Would be curious to know what components or headphones you have come across that do this, aside from an exciter effect box.  I'll be sure to listen to them next time I come across one.

Maybe I'm just being anal-retentive.  I figure we could call it extra-perceivable detail.  Or exo-perceivable detail?     That pretty much nails what we're trying to describe.

I'd love to argue semantics, trust me, I'm a linguist, but I was just using common jargon. If I really wanted to be completely anal, I would've labeled it perceived-but-not-actually-there detail. Phantom detail. I prefer to reign in the diction for the sake of efficient, comprehensible communication. I suppose if you want to be insistent, we can try to convince folk to refer to it as exo-perceivable detail, but I have a feeling it'll remain as is, honestly. Also, the original Greek prefix "exo" doesn't quite encapsulate your meaning...but that's alright Whatever works best, I suppose

Kojaku

 

[sphinxvc]

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I'd love to argue semantics, trust me, I'm a linguist, but I was just using common jargon. If I really wanted to be completely anal, I would've labeled it perceived-but-not-actually-there detail. Phantom detail. I prefer to reign in the diction for the sake of efficient, comprehensible communication. I suppose if you want to be insistent, we can try to convince folk to refer to it as exo-perceivable detail, but I have a feeling it'll remain as is, honestly. Also, the original Greek prefix "exo" doesn't quite encapsulate your meaning...but that's alright Whatever works best, I suppose

Kojaku

 
Extra- then?  Carry on.  Don't mind me.  
 

 
As long as we're agreed that the original doesn't make sense.

 

[Kojaku]

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Extra- then?  Carry on.  Don't mind me.  
 

 
As long as we're agreed that the original doesn't make sense.

 
Also, I quoted "perceived' in the original for a particular semantic reason. Anyway, back to the thread at hand. Has anyone tried portably driving these babies?
 
Kojaku