[anadin]

If the line-out is at least on par with the imod then count me in.

 

[worldman]

This has a better line-out than iMod? Now I've gotta get hold of one of these.... But, I wonder if I should wait until the supposedly improved version of the T51 (Nationite S.Flo2) comes out instead of jumping on the T51 immediately.

I get a sense that this marvelous DAP may become a serious threat to the HiFiMAN which also boasts a similar line-out except that it comes with only one DAC chip whereas the T51 is equipped with two separate dedicated DAC chips for each channel.

 

[shigzeo]

rather than spouting verbosely about LO, why not test the line out of the iMod using RMAA or some other good analysing software, then do the same with the T51. Otherwise, it is just one audiophile's sex secret versus another's...

 

[worldman]

I concur. However I lack the knowledge to make such assessments. Anyone care to make a serious comparison analysis?

 

[shigzeo]

The problem with making analysis of SQ based on opinion, or the breakdown of a study is that it still reveals bias. Though I would be happy to hear good reports of the T51, recent experience of another much-touted player has me in doubt about the objectivity of many threads like this.

If an objective individual could be found who has no bias towards or against either company, s/he would still need a fairly good outboard soundcard, or dedicated PCI driver board for an outboard interface, Balanced inputs, shielded cables, parts which will connect to an amp which are made of good quality and a good eye to make sure that the signal isn't clipping.

Then it is just down to recording, processing, posting and discussions. Listening tests shouldn't be ignored of course, but are much harder to manage. Then, hooking both up to amps and y-splits to test subjective loads is another story altogether.

I assume that the differences would be better sussed out by a professional reviewing company like goldenears.net than a board here simply because they have what is needed and carry out these sort of tests all the time. Their reviews are also based on sound science rather than just 'ooh la la'.

But, neither sound tests alone, nor personal anecdotal evidence is enough to suss out sound 'opinion'.

 

[david1978jp]

Another HK owner said the line-out is much much better than headphone jack. The overall performance is very good, but still lesser than Sony 1050 x series. Hopefully some will have more detailed reviews out soon.
This thread is not "shrill". But the other so call audiophile mp3 player thread is certainly very questionable - if Head-fi allows more threads like that one, the creditability of head-fi will be gone soon.

 

[RAFA]

Hi Sasaki

Can you please plug in your esw9 in the hp-out and try out some songs. Can you notice any harshness or sibilance?

Since I put on the new firmware, which is still a mess, I started hearing harsh heights and sibilance with my esw9. Can you confirm?

 

[Sasaki]

I tried with ESW9 but I don't think this is sibilant. I still use v1.00.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAFA /img/forum/go_quote.gif Hi Sasaki Can you please plug in your esw9 in the hp-out and try out some songs. Can you notice any harshness or sibilance? Since I put on the new firmware, which is still a mess, I started hearing harsh heights and sibilance with my esw9. Can you confirm?

 

[RAFA]

Thanks for your reply

I don't know, when I got it first it was not there, but since I updated... So I think it is the firmware.

Could it be that I bricked my headphones, because I turned on the volume very loud once.

 

[Sasaki]

Where did you get the new firmware? What is the version?

Quote:

Originally Posted by RAFA /img/forum/go_quote.gif Thanks for your reply I don't know, when I got it first it was not there, but since I updated... So I think it is the firmware. Could it be that I bricked my headphones, because I turned on the volume very loud once.

 

[chengdude]

Version 1.10 for the T51 is on Teclast's downloads page:

Teclast Downloads

 

[RAFA]

I am so glad my headphones are not broken and I am sory I should have posted the link for the download, but I went to sleep.

However, I tested the ESW9 with my laptop and the T51 thourougly with a lot of tracks. Yeah it came out that the T51 is very revealing. If it is a bad recording, you will hear it definitely with this player.

 

[worldman]

Is there someone who could tell me when the Nationite S:Flo2 is scheduled to come out? I've searched the net but without success. I would appreciate your input.

 

[RAFA]

What I have read at the forum of mp4nation is that, they wait that a stable firmware comes out.

Another thing is that there is the possibility that in the S:Flo2 will be a greater battery.

 

[worldman]

Many thanks! With their recent firmware update, I hope that they are getting to their "stable" firmware version soon. And the idea of a greater battery life really appeals to me....