So, why do we have SACDs anyway?
Oct 23, 2011 at 11:34 AM Post #16 of 22
SACD is doing quite well with 50+ new releases every month and a back catalog of 7,400+ titles. Check http://sa-cd.net/titles/0/0/date/100/1 for a complete list. New recordings are usually DSD or high-resolution PCM, from 88.2kHz/24 PCM all the way to 352.8kHz/24 PCM, the latter known as DXD. Major SACD companies no longer record in 44.1kHz/24 PCM - the last holdout was the independent classical label BIS, but even they went to 88.2 and 96 kHz last year - so it's an utterly irrelevant issue as of now.

There has been also an increasingly healthy flow of reissues of older analog recordings, easily identifiable to anyone with a minimum of musical knowledge - newly announced reissues of Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here (http://sa-cd.net/showtitle/7523) or Cat Stevens' Tea for the Tillerman (http://sa-cd.net/showtitle/7532) are obviously not original DSD recordings.

But regardless of the recording method, SACD players can read them all. And most newer Blu-ray universal players from the likes of Sony, Denon, Marantz, OPPO, and so forth, will play SACD even if not advertised as such. A complete list of compatible universal players is available at http://www.ps3sacd.com/sacd_bd_players.html, excluding SACD dedicated players from Marantz, Esoteric, Luxman, Denon, EMM Labs, Cary and other high-end manufacturers.

Personally, I find that anything recorded in high-rez PCM to DSD is vastly superior to the RBCD specs of 44.1kHz/16 bit PCM. The difference in quality is even more startling via a high quality headphone setup, specially in the areas of top-end extension, soundstage and background detail. Obviously, as a headphone listener I cannot comment on SACD's 5.1 multi-channel layer, but that seems to be a strong selling point as well.

The good news for those interested in high quality music reproduction via physical media, is that SACD is likely to outlive RBCD in the long run, even if as a niche market. And as a reminder to those following marketing trends, because hybrid SACD discs contain a RBCD layer, sales of all hybrid SACDs are currently accounted for as regular RBCDs.
 
   
 

 
Oct 23, 2011 at 1:38 PM Post #17 of 22


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Well, even if we assume that SACD will sound better than regular CD, I mean, high sampled FLAC files do too. I am wondering the place for SACD in Hi-Fi scene since even people at Linn Record themselves seem use the master sources of their SACD as PCM format (you can see they provide recent ones with 192 or 96 instead of 88 or 176.)
 



I haven't seen 5.1 Flac.
 
Oct 23, 2011 at 5:46 PM Post #18 of 22


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I haven't seen 5.1 Flac.


FLAC supports up to 32bit 655.35kHz and 8 channels (7.1 channels). It's very flexible format, and Linn Record actually provided 5.1 FLACs on selected titles for a while (I think some still left somewhere in the website...)
 
 
It seems the problem was that no one really cared about multi-channels enough to download 7GB files. I know there are sites here and there for multi-channel, but the demand seems too low to sell.
 
 
Oct 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM Post #19 of 22
 
Uncle Erik, there is no guarantee that SACDs would have sound good in reality.
 
Many people are finding out that files originally used for SACD mastering are, in fact, nothing more than up-sampled redbook masters.
 
There are tons of horror stories and frustrations in Computeraudiophile forum regarding these releases...... more depressing fact is that HDtracks' David Chesky once said that they do their best weeding out bad masters, and he literally has piles of rejects from many famous releases. I own numerous SACDs and I have little faith in their sound quality any different from redbook releases.
 
It is mess because there is ZERO standard. 24bit/44.1k is very popular choice for many early SACDs (which raises doubt that they are in fact up-sampled or worst case over-sampled) some odd ones have 24/48, while other recent ones are either 24/96 or 24/192. But we have ZERO information on whether they are really true DSD recordings, or PCM recordings converted into DSD (which is majority).
 
They can be sound very good and can be flawless recordings. But the thing is people can have both good quality and convenience if they just buy redbook releases instead since there is little or no difference between SACD/DVD-A/FLAC-HD and redbook releases.


I don't disagree.

However, I usually buy classical and jazz SACDs. Most of the classical discs are recent recordings and DSD recording is at least claimed. Production values for jazz and classical tend to be pretty good anyway.

Another problem is that quite a few classical recordings are released as SACDs only. Which is OK. Maybe Red Book would cost a little less, but I'll buy the SACD.

Someone mentioned SACD on computer. Sony actually made a Vaio box some years back with a locked-down SACD read-only drive. They didn't sell well.
 
Oct 23, 2011 at 7:00 PM Post #20 of 22
SACD in a full size, highly resolving grown-up system is a wonderful thing.
 
Oct 23, 2011 at 7:11 PM Post #21 of 22
^ This
 
SACD = better. regardless its issue with the higher frequency
 
Oct 23, 2011 at 7:59 PM Post #22 of 22


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Someone mentioned SACD on computer. Sony actually made a Vaio box some years back with a locked-down SACD read-only drive. They didn't sell well.



Me. And I googled some interesting info. Hmm product back in 2008, not exactly that old, and they mentioned a software to convert it! Probably a player with digital out to my sound card will do the trick with these? Hmm.
 
http://www.sa-cd.net/showthread/10871/10871
http://www.sa-cd.net/showthread/31283/31292
http://gizmodo.com/5058024/sony-vaio-js1-series-all+in+one-is-audiophile-ready
SonicStage Mastering Studio software
 
Its early in the morning I need to rush to work, I'll revisit this when I have more time.
 
Edit: Too early in the morning - they only support DSD data format but not SACD disc format...
 

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