jfindon
500+ Head-Fier
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2004
- Posts
- 578
- Likes
- 14
Eh, I edit all my tags with Tag&Rename, it takes about 2 minutes for a whole CD to get named manually.
Originally Posted by donaldekelly /img/forum/go_quote.gif I also gave up on Amazon and scanned the Target listings and found one in the store. The guy ahead of me bought the next to last one, and I got the last one. So far - sound is good (compared to the IRiver 320 - about the same I think) and the video is amazing! Trying Media Monkey now to get my mp3s all tagged correctly. |
Originally Posted by Norman Hunter /img/forum/go_quote.gif I would like to hear more of what current owners think of the "native" Zune 80 sound i.e. how does it sound through various headphones e.g. SR 60s, PX 100s, Portapros, etc. directly out of the headphone jack. This is probably the best place on the internet to get this kind of subjective judgement. Please leave equalization out of the discussion. |
Originally Posted by jfindon /img/forum/go_quote.gif That's what everyone has been commenting on, there hasn't been any EQ talks because there's no EQ with the Zune 80. Any comments on sound have been "native". |
Originally Posted by sinner6 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I listen via Denon C700's, Sony MDR-EX90's, and the ever faithful Sony Mdr-7506's. For comparisons sake, I have owned the Creative Nomad II, Sansa E260, and Sony NZW-A818. Having a strong background in audio engineering I understand that EQ in any form or fashion is a compromise to the sound, because the filters used, by design, introduce phase anomalies to the signal. This is the case with multithousand dollar analog parametric EQ's, and trust me when I say the digital or "emulated" EQ used in DAP's pretty much never does good things to your signal. Having said all that, I will say that the Zune quite simply has a very clean, linear response. I don't know that I would call it "analytical" as much as "neutral". It does a good job of accuately and cleanly reproducing the source material. It does not sound quite as rich and dynamic as the Sony A818, but it has none of the slight hiss that is evident in the Sony unit, meaning it's about even, though for those who listen to music with extended quiet parts the Zune may be the better choice. Of the headphones I have used with the unit, the Denon C700's are the best match as they have a solid clear bass presence and have been tuned to my taste without need for EQ. I also have the 2nd gen Zune Dock and it has a line level out that is also impressively clean. It is true, that if you were to thrash around the inteface with no music playing, some drive interference is audible. This does not happen when music is playing. It only happens when the amp is idle. Not an issue. Nowhwere (and I mean NOWHERE) near as nasty as the horrible screeches and digital artifacts present in the Sansa E260. In fact, it's quieter than the ever present hiss on the (excellent sounding) Sony A818. Don't fret about this. The output stages of the Zune 80 continue in the tradition of the original Zune unit and utilize Wolfson chips in the output stages (I forget the chip #). All in all, I can't say the descision to remove the EQ was a bad one, especially if it contributes to the exceptionally clean sound of the output. To those who need permanent EQ, I would suggest considering headphones that have a response more tuned to your tastes, being able to have a clean signal path will do more good for the sound than artificially creating a response curve on a low horsepower proscessor. Something to think about. Best Regards, S6 |
Originally Posted by sinner6 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I listen via Denon C700's, Sony MDR-EX90's, and the ever faithful Sony Mdr-7506's. For comparisons sake, I have owned the Creative Nomad II, Sansa E260, and Sony NZW-A818. Having a strong background in audio engineering I understand that EQ in any form or fashion is a compromise to the sound, because the filters used, by design, introduce phase anomalies to the signal. This is the case with multithousand dollar analog parametric EQ's, and trust me when I say the digital or "emulated" EQ used in DAP's pretty much never does good things to your signal. Having said all that, I will say that the Zune quite simply has a very clean, linear response. I don't know that I would call it "analytical" as much as "neutral". It does a good job of accuately and cleanly reproducing the source material. It does not sound quite as rich and dynamic as the Sony A818, but it has none of the slight hiss that is evident in the Sony unit, meaning it's about even, though for those who listen to music with extended quiet parts the Zune may be the better choice. Of the headphones I have used with the unit, the Denon C700's are the best match as they have a solid clear bass presence and have been tuned to my taste without need for EQ. I also have the 2nd gen Zune Dock and it has a line level out that is also impressively clean. It is true, that if you were to thrash around the inteface with no music playing, some drive interference is audible. This does not happen when music is playing. It only happens when the amp is idle. Not an issue. Nowhwere (and I mean NOWHERE) near as nasty as the horrible screeches and digital artifacts present in the Sansa E260. In fact, it's quieter than the ever present hiss on the (excellent sounding) Sony A818. Don't fret about this. The output stages of the Zune 80 continue in the tradition of the original Zune unit and utilize Wolfson chips in the output stages (I forget the chip #). All in all, I can't say the descision to remove the EQ was a bad one, especially if it contributes to the exceptionally clean sound of the output. To those who need permanent EQ, I would suggest considering headphones that have a response more tuned to your tastes, being able to have a clean signal path will do more good for the sound than artificially creating a response curve on a low horsepower proscessor. Something to think about. Best Regards, S6 |
Originally Posted by sinner6 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I listen via Denon C700's, Sony MDR-EX90's, and the ever faithful Sony Mdr-7506's. For comparisons sake, I have owned the Creative Nomad II, Sansa E260, and Sony NZW-A818. Having a strong background in audio engineering I understand that EQ in any form or fashion is a compromise to the sound, because the filters used, by design, introduce phase anomalies to the signal. This is the case with multithousand dollar analog parametric EQ's, and trust me when I say the digital or "emulated" EQ used in DAP's pretty much never does good things to your signal. Having said all that, I will say that the Zune quite simply has a very clean, linear response. I don't know that I would call it "analytical" as much as "neutral". It does a good job of accuately and cleanly reproducing the source material. It does not sound quite as rich and dynamic as the Sony A818, but it has none of the slight hiss that is evident in the Sony unit, meaning it's about even, though for those who listen to music with extended quiet parts the Zune may be the better choice. Of the headphones I have used with the unit, the Denon C700's are the best match as they have a solid clear bass presence and have been tuned to my taste without need for EQ. I also have the 2nd gen Zune Dock and it has a line level out that is also impressively clean. It is true, that if you were to thrash around the inteface with no music playing, some drive interference is audible. This does not happen when music is playing. It only happens when the amp is idle. Not an issue. Nowhwere (and I mean NOWHERE) near as nasty as the horrible screeches and digital artifacts present in the Sansa E260. In fact, it's quieter than the ever present hiss on the (excellent sounding) Sony A818. Don't fret about this. The output stages of the Zune 80 continue in the tradition of the original Zune unit and utilize Wolfson chips in the output stages (I forget the chip #). All in all, I can't say the descision to remove the EQ was a bad one, especially if it contributes to the exceptionally clean sound of the output. To those who need permanent EQ, I would suggest considering headphones that have a response more tuned to your tastes, being able to have a clean signal path will do more good for the sound than artificially creating a response curve on a low horsepower proscessor. Something to think about. Best Regards, S6 |