Sluggish/slack sound, why?

[gregorio]

Great sounding old style box speakers cost next to nothing at thrift stores, and they can sound as good as modern speakers that cost much, much more.

Sure but they can also sound a lot worse, especially if the previous owner didn’t take care of them or some of the components are near the end of their life through normal wear.

People today are more concerned with size than sound.

Obviously that’s false. I’m sure some people are but not all and, unlike say DACs, speaker size can/does affect sound. So in my case (and many others) I’m concerned with size and sound.

But if your consideration is sound quality, efficiency and low cost, and you are smart, you can put together a great sounding system, even the transducers for not a lot of money.

Sure you can, but don’t smart people also know the principle of “caveat emptor” and not want to take the risk of buying great sounding transducers that are not great sounding a short time after purchase, without recourse?

Again, I’m obviously not talking about 2nd hand thrift stores. If you’re going to use that as an argument, then your argument against expensive audiophile DACs and amps also goes down the drain because you might find them for no more than the cost of a cheap/moderately priced DAC in some 2nd hand thrift store. Wouldn’t a smart person know that?

I have a portable system, complete with battery packs and powered speakers, that all fits in a side bag. It may not sound as good as my 5.1 system in my theater, but it's capable of providing musical pleasure anywhere anytime. It didn't cost a lot, but for its purpose, there's a lot of bang for the buck.

Now you seem to be arguing against yourself! Why doesn’t your cheap portable system “sound as good”? Is it entirely due to placebo or is there an actual audible difference?

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[gregorio]

Wouldn’t a smart person know that?

Apparently not! Or, they do know that, realise they’re making a nonsense argument and try to deflect by posting something like:

The sky is blue.
No it isn't. Sometimes it rains. ….

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[castleofargh]

What is this? Don’t make me pull out my flaming sword of vengeance in that heat!

Stay hydrated, people.

 

[bfreedma]

You’re wrong about me being wrong. Please stop doing that. You’re making Margaret Dumont look fun in comparison.

When I say normal people like me, it has nothing to do with any science other than psychology.

I could go back and explain my points to you, but that would mean engaging with the problem more. I’m trying to help by disengaging from the downward spiral applied to just about every conversation. I’d put a name to it, but I’m not licensed to do that.

The problem isn’t me. I’m just the one refusing to engage with the problem.

The problem is everyone else all the time, never you.

Good luck with that.

 

[bigshot]

Not everyone else. Just a couple of people with problems that will not be named.

Castle, I don’t get it. Some folks are unable to modulate themselves this morning. Feel free to delete my goofs if you want. They’re only intended for the specific parties. The rest of the people here are fine.

 

[bfreedma]

Not everyone else. Just a couple of people with problems that will not be named.

Castle, I don’t get it. Some folks are unable to modulate themselves this morning. Feel free to delete my goofs if you want. They’re only intended for the specific parties. The rest of the people here are fine.

You really should have your own forum where you can define sound science however you like. I promise to avoid it at all costs.

 

[bigshot]

All you ever post any more is attacks on me. Sad.

 

[bfreedma]

All you ever post any more is attacks on me. Sad.

Another incorrect statement, easily verifiable by my public post history. Last word can be yours - you aren’t willing to consider your own posting issues, so this is pointless.

It would be so much more valuable if Sound Science could remain focused on currently accepted theory and facts rather than one individual’s personal preferences and/or incomplete understanding of audio science. It’s fine not to have all the answers, but it’s not appropriate to ignore them when deemed inconvenient.

 

[bigshot]

I'm ashamed of you.

 

[gregorio]

I’m just the one refusing to engage with the problem.

If only that were true!

If you’re not interested in a line of discussion or don’t understand it and don’t want to learn, then you should do what you’re falsely asserting, simply ignore it and/or refuse to engage. But you don’t, you effectively troll the discussion instead!

I'm ashamed of you.

But you’re proud of yourself for effectively trolling?

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[joe]

Mod note: I removed some attacks. Guys, let's be a bit more civil.