[PointyFox]

I don't think that the HD820 will have a TH900 or Z1r bass.

It doesn't seem to go as deep as the Z1R.

 

[Beagle]

I can't wait for the HD820 to come out.

 

[up late]

What even is boosted bass? I found the TH 900 to have a very strong sub bass, but it was extremely tight and controlled. Never ever boomy, muddy or distrupting other sounds. It has a higher potential for bass than most other headphones, but who's to say its "boosted" or above some imaginary neutral?

i would describe "boosted" bass as bass that is emphasised or prominent relative to the rest of the frequency response. i am saying that it is "boosted" based on my perception and the frequency response measurements that i have seen. i am only referring to the th900's bass amplitude or quantity - not the quality.

Are you comparing TH900 against the real subwoofers ?, if it is yes I will agree but to me TH900's bass is perfect for headphones IMO.

no

 

[ervin192]

It doesn't surprise me at all seeing the argument on neutrality keeps going on... there will never be a conclusion because neutrality is NOT objective itself; it's personal and it's subjective. Flat response is not neutrality and the imaginary producer's view is nearly impossible.
For many hi-fi headphones, they're not flat but they're within a range that many listeners can gradually get themselves accustomed to their sound signatures. It's enough for me.
Also keep in mind many headphones are largely affected by the whole setup, they make the situation worse.

 

[franz12]

It doesn't surprise me at all seeing the argument on neutrality keeps going on... there will never be a conclusion because neutrality is NOT objective itself; it's personal and it's subjective. Flat response is not neutrality and the imaginary producer's view is nearly impossible.
For many hi-fi headphones, they're not flat but they're within a range that many listeners can gradually get themselves accustomed to their sound signatures. It's enough for me.
Also keep in mind many headphones are largely affected by the whole setup, they make the situation worse.

Not at all. The concept of neutrality is more robust than you think.
I can't imagine someone in a studio uses th900 for mastering, though many use hd650 for that purpose. It would be another story for personal/guilty pleasure.

 

[omniweltall]

the only difference between the th900 and the th900 mk2 is that the latter has detachable cables. i wouldn't describe the th900 as having boomy bass but it does have boosted bass. i can't help thinking that fostex didn't design the th900 with sound engineering in mind if the sound signature and urushi lacquer ear cups are anything to go by.

I find them to have the tightest bass, even beating the eikon and hd800.

 

[ervin192]

Not at all. The concept of neutrality is more robust than you think.
I can't imagine someone in a studio uses th900 for mastering, though many use hd650 for that purpose. It would be another story for personal/guilty pleasure.

Studios actually use neither. Headphones are not used during mixing, when the works of producers are involved.

 

[SeanS]

...it was the Beats by Dre that triggered me into headphones Which I don't own anymore.

Brave man to post that here.

 

[pietcux]

I find them to have the tightest bass, even beating the eikon and hd800.

Then what do you expect from the HD820?

 

[PeteSTRADAMUS]

Brave man to post that here.

In all honesty the first pair of headphones I got that I thought sounded good at the time we're the Beats Pro, the original ones. At that time I thought $400 was a lot of money for headphones. Look at me now lol.

 

[omniweltall]

Then what do you expect from the HD820?

I have no clue on HD820. Haven't tried it.

But TH900 when eq-ed is an amazing can. It won't be easy for any can to beat it with its tight bass, clear mid, and amazing soundstage/layering. Just get rid of that recessed mid and sharp treble.

 

[up late]

I find them to have the tightest bass, even beating the eikon and hd800.

i wasn't commenting on the quality of the th900's bass but i think it's exceptional fwiw

 

[Mark Up]

It is subjective. When I say booming I mean amplitude as stated. There are a lot of Fostex fans here who prefer that, and I respect it. Having had EMU Teaks, arguably least bass and treble boosted, mid recessed, that still seems mid recessed to me, that sound is just not for me. No, that's not as much bass as a sub next to your head, which isn't as much bass as a giant bass amp on stage. As a keyboardist, playing a little bass guitar, having run live sound, and worked in studios, what can deter me from headphones is too much hype in one area, while other areas are under-represented. It's a combination of functionality and practicality, yet still, a fun sound. I like boosted bass, a Harman Response Curve style. Ruler flat from lowest subs to true mids (ie. 1 khz), like planars have, lets me down, if 20 - 80 hz isn't higher than 800 hz, we will have a problem. Run from any headphones ruler flat on a graph from 20 hz to 20 khz, that's gonna hurt. The Sennheiser being cans I could mix on says a lot, as there are very few I hear like that. Sennheiser has apparently been listening to customers and learning. Now can they please listen to us and get rid of the idiot face we see in their advertising on every page?

 

[zolkis]

The amount of bass can be also influenced by ear pads geometry and filling, in the range of about +/-12 dB, with no other changes done to the headphones. I hope the HD820 will have just a little bass boost (as seen on the FR) by default, which would be still perceived as pretty linear and the rest could be personalized by ear pads (or EQ, choose your poison). In fact, if @Sennheiser would develop and provide at least a bass-neutral (reference) and a bass-heavy (fun) version of the ear pads it would be extremely convenient and innovative. I will certainly do it anyway, but I would be happy if they would do it professionally .

 

[Mark Up]

I'd say they should make an HD670 semi open and HD680 fully closed based on that technology at an affordable price with that extra sub bass quantity and extension idea.