[saintalfonzo]

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Originally Posted by John Willett /img/forum/go_quote.gif What utter rubbish! Headphones should be inert to enable the diaphragm to freely move and reproduce accurately the soundwaves being fed to it. The materials should not alter the sound. In total contrast, a musical instrument has to resonate, the materials are chosen *because* they resonate as they have to vibrate in sympathy with the air / strings to produce the sound.

Wow I can't believe a Senn rep is refuting the claim that the HD800 isn't constructed out of the best materials possible! I realize that the musical instrument analogy is bunk, but let's face the fact that you're saving money by using plastic.

 

[John Willett]

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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo /img/forum/go_quote.gif Wow I can't believe a Senn rep is refuting the claim that the HD800 isn't constructed out of the best materials possible! I realize that the musical instrument analogy is bunk, but let's face the fact that you're saving money by using plastic.

The HD *is* made from the best materials possible - Leona is an inert hi-tech polymer and is better than metal. It was only chosen, as I understand, because titanium was not good enough - they tried that first.

And the cost difference at this level is so minimal as to be meaningless.

 

[saintalfonzo]

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Originally Posted by John Willett /img/forum/go_quote.gif The HD *is* made from the best materials possible - Leona is an inert hi-tech polymer and is better than metal. It was only chosen, as I understand, because titanium was not good enough - they tried that first. And the cost difference at this level is so minimal as to be meaningless.

elaboration would be appreciated.

 

[immtbiker]

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Originally Posted by Epicfailman /img/forum/go_quote.gif Senn just used it to lower the cost.

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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo /img/forum/go_quote.gif but let's face the fact that you're saving money by using plastic.

You are making this a statement of fact since you didn't preceed it with "I think", or "in my opinion".

Do you know this as a fact?

 

[saintalfonzo]

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Originally Posted by immtbiker /img/forum/go_quote.gif You are making this a statement of fact since you didn't preceed it with "I think", or "in my opinion". Do you know this as a fact?

nice edit, I'm still waiting for the elaboration.

 

[grox]

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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo /img/forum/go_quote.gif elaboration would be appreciated.

But he's already elaborated, multiple times. You need to ask a specific question to add to the discussion.

 

[saintalfonzo]

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Originally Posted by grox /img/forum/go_quote.gif But he's already elaborated, multiple times. You need to ask a specific question to add to the discussion.

I think it's obvious that my question is about the "fact" that the PLASTIC used in the construction of the HD800 is better than any other material (metal, wood, etc) that could've been used. All he has stated in previous posts is that it is "better". I think if I'm going to spend $1400 on a piece of plastic I need some explanation on the materials used. Thanks.

 

[iponderous]

Someone who is partial to donning a pair of cans on their head (possibly in public) is seriously bemoaning the absence of design aesthetics? How quixotic! Now if you will excuse me, I must resume my seated position upon my impossibly uncomfortable Marcel Breuer Lattice Chair, while enduring Phillip Glass' incomparable Koyaanisqatsi, via my bloated Bose Triports with silver plastic finish.

 

[mbd2884]

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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think it's obvious that my question is about the "fact" that the PLASTIC used in the construction of the HD800 is better than any other material (metal, wood, etc) that could've been used. All he has stated in previous posts is that it is "better". I think if I'm going to spend $1400 on a piece of plastic I need some explanation on the materials used. Thanks.

Maybe you should learn to read and search. Willett already explained the Leona is as hard as Titanium but does not transmit any vibrations like Titanium does. Sounds to me Sennheiser has done their research. What research have you done to be able to argue with Sennheiser's choice in materials?

I admit, personally I think their design is pretty tacky and gawdy. I much prefer the design of my HD650, wish they made something a little more conservative and basic. Simplicity is awesome.

Curious are you really serious about considering buying the HD800?

From your sig you do not seem the type of person unless you have recently saved a lot?

I mean c'mon, your sig lists the Zero, the cheapest DAC/Amp combo available.

 

[karthur]

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Originally Posted by mbd2884 /img/forum/go_quote.gif From your sig you do not seem the type of person unless you have recently saved a lot?

Wow...low blow. I haven't commented in this thread (because I'd never consider purchasing these, I'd rather get some Stax for that price)

So to answer you....Type of person hmm?..You mean like...a sucker?? I think he has a good choice of equipment...perfectly cost/benefit thought out. From your list of equipment you don't exactly come across as Bill Gates either.

 

[mbd2884]

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Originally Posted by karthur /img/forum/go_quote.gif Wow...low blow. I haven't commented in this thread (because I'd never consider purchasing these, I'd rather get some Stax for that price) So to answer you....Type of person hmm?..You mean like...a sucker?? I think he has a good choice of equipment...perfectly cost/benefit thought out. From your list of equipment you don't exactly come across as Bill Gates either.

You are right. I have no pre-ordered the HD800. So I am not all that worried about the appearance of the HD800 right now, and won't have to worry for a few years. Grad school is more important right now.

And that was my point, why rail and worry about something if it's not in your budget anyways?

Granted I like to post and poke fun at Grado, but again, it's for fun. Anyone who thinks I'm serious about it, needs to get a life to find something else to worry about.

 

[Markj]

I am exited about HD 800, the ergonomics! and sound quality. Just received Editon 9 recently and they are real HP ( headpain ) unbearable!

 

[John Willett]

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Originally Posted by saintalfonzo /img/forum/go_quote.gif I think it's obvious that my question is about the "fact" that the PLASTIC used in the construction of the HD800 is better than any other material (metal, wood, etc) that could've been used. All he has stated in previous posts is that it is "better". I think if I'm going to spend $1400 on a piece of plastic I need some explanation on the materials used. Thanks.

OK - although this is posted after drinking a bottle or two of good French vino.....

Wood is a good natural material - but it was a living material and no two pieces are the same. Therefore no consistency.

Metal can ring and resonate - therefore not good as it can produce unwanted harmonics.

A polymer can be made to be hard and stiff and not resonate - the problem with the word "plastic" is that some people immediately think "cheap" - but aerospace grade polymers can be anything but.....

The Leona polymer (plastic) is about as hard as titanium but doed not resonate - hence its choice.

 

[Epicfailman]

I am wanting to do research on this Leona polymer to see if the claims made are at all true. I cannot seem to find any record of their being a Leona polymer. I am not claiming that you are lying, just that I cannot seem to find any information about it. Perhaps someone here can provide a link?

 

[madmax7]

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Originally Posted by John Willett /img/forum/go_quote.gif OK - although this is posted after drinking a bottle or two of good French vino..... Wood is a good natural material - but it was a living material and no two pieces are the same. Therefore no consistency. Metal can ring and resonate - therefore not good as it can produce unwanted harmonics. A polymer can be made to be hard and stiff and not resonate - the problem with the word "plastic" is that some people immediately think "cheap" - but aerospace grade polymers can be anything but..... The Leona polymer (plastic) is about as hard as titanium but doed not resonate - hence its choice.

Thanks John! That explanation is absolutely acceptable as a future HD800 owner. It makes perfect sense to me and I couldn't care less what materials are used. The bottom line is how they will sound when they arrive, PERIOD. And of course reasonable durability.