Roger Strummer
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Interestingly enough the second time I auditioned the HD800 (twice I auditioned it second time I brought my valve amp and found the HD800 took away what I liked about the valve amp - making it sound solid state like????) I ended up purchasing the D7000, one minor reason that swayed me was that I felt upon auditioning that the D7000 equaled the HD800's treble with more bass substance...Now I battle sibilance issues with the D7000, the single most annoying fault of these fine phones.....
Interesting, haven't heard much about sibilance issues with the D7000 (although I haven't heard them, not particularly interested in something bassier than what I have).
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The HD650 has a beautiful and underdamped treble that is forgiving of the worst treble crimes. But I feel the champion treble reproducer that I have heard, that sounds the most natural belongs to the.....K701. Never too sibilant, never too underdamped...you could forgive the low bass presence....if it weren't for the flawed upper mids.
The HD650 plays it safe...Thank goodness such a phone exists - with no major fatal flaws...or I'd gone insane trying to find a phone I liked. As for the smooth nature - the rolled of treble will have something to do with it....but some interesting news is Tyll's latest distortion measurements made in his new chamber...The HD600 measured lowest of distortion in a range of measured popular reference headphones, including the HD800...The HD650 is said to have an even lower measured distortion than the HD600 on previous measurements (yet to be confirmed in the new chamber)...That smoothness also can be attributed to this low distortion figure. This I am forced to agree with...because when I first got my hi-end bryston dac my initial complaint was that it was "too smooth" and "rolled off" compared the dacmagic....with adaptation and research...it was the lower distortion giving that impression.
Hmmm... haven't think about the 701's in quite a while, but yeah, you are right, not sibilant nor underdamped seems adequate for them.
I've been following very close Tyll's thread, and there are lots of interesting results (and there will be more). It is incredible the practically non existent harmonic distortions of the 650, I wonder if/what other headphones can compare. It is notable the difference of behaviour between 6x0 and 800
But I think it is early to use them for more than educated guesses, I would wait until after CanJam, and until the site for viewing the data gets going, it will be very useful to see some headphones that are not in the Headroom site.
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I found the HD800 had a midrange equally as smooth as the HD650....but problematic in the treble range...on paper the distortion in the HD800 in the treble ranges is what gives the HD600 the lead in distortion numbers. On a final note...it wasn't precisely the overcooked treble that killed the HD800 for me although it contributed massively to it. It seems I am the only one to bring it up, it is the gigantic "phase effect" soundstage that my brain could not comprehend that led to listening fatigue within 20 minutes, in a way I have never felt before. The K701 will do it after listening at way too loud levels or for too long. The HD800 overdoes it when the volume was not very loud in a very short duration in a manner that literally destroyed my mind.
Personally I don't find the midrange of the 650 far from the midrange of the 800, Qualia, K1000 and HE90, which is a lot to say (although it's been a long while since I listened to the HE90), they are phenomenal given the price.
I always wondered if someone suffered from something like what you say. I don't find that strange, in a way it is similar to the way that some people cannot stand more than 5 minutes playing a first person shooter (like my sister), and if I had to guess it's got something to do with psychoacoustics, my hypothesis is that your brain is not adapted to the cues that headphones use, or particularly how they use them (I'm not saying that with any negative connotation by the way), so when you hear some headphones that use them to a greater degree your brain gets tired of trying to adjust to something unnatural. I grew up listening to headphones, so for me they are the natural way of listening sound reproduction. My brain is so used to headphones that it automatically creates a mapping of headstage <-> reality, so whenever I close my eyes I find everything natural, and on the opposite hand of what you say the hd800's headstage is its biggest positive point to me. But I will investigate more on this matter, seems very interesting.