Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers

[tvnosaint]

I rolled in those Lorenz pcc88s after various e188ccs and the midrange fell back 10-15 rows. Lost all intimacy but gave a strange v shaped sig. Unusual soundstage as the bass and treble were way up front. Beyersesque I guess . Not as big a fan after cleaning everything so far. Those old ugly mullards are nice though. Philips miniwatts e188ccs are hard to follow for holography and mids. Switching hps around the he560 liked those best but the zmf omni likes that lush weighty Blackburn sound as well as the Russians .

 

[CFGamescape]

Switching hps around the he560 liked those best but the zmf omni likes that lush weighty Blackburn sound as well as the Russians .

Can you clarify what "those" are? I'm looking for tubes for my 560s. I know you have some recommendations a few pages back but wondering if any thing has changed since. Thanks!

 

[tvnosaint]

Most of the active guys here in this forum are Heerlen heads. "Those" are e188cc Philips miniwatts from Heerlen Netherlands . ThurtonX is also using he560 I believe. With Valvo branded similar tube. He will likely respond too. A nice pair of mullards (ecc88, cv2493, Usn cep) adds weight / meat to the sound and easy tone but sacrifices soundstage, reflektors from 74,75 are one of my favorites too but are very hard to find.( legit ones) some find the treble in them hard, I don't . I love the soundstage , dynamics and musicality (75s) bass (74s).
Some of these guys have tubes wired way better than me. Most of mine are still changing to my ears. I used to love those Lorenz, now they are odd sounding. I'm sure they will change more I've only got 50 hrs on them at best.
Let these guys know what you are looking for sound wise . Signature and musical taste.

 

[MWSVette]

Most of the active guys here in this forum are Heerlen heads. "Those" are e188cc Philips miniwatts from Heerlen Netherlands . ThurtonX is also using he560 I believe. With Valvo branded similar tube. He will likely respond too. A nice pair of mullards (ecc88, cv2493, Usn cep) adds weight / meat to the sound and easy tone but sacrifices soundstage, reflektors from 74,75 are one of my favorites too but are very hard to find.( legit ones) some find the treble in them hard, I don't . I love the soundstage , dynamics and musicality (75s) bass (74s).
Some of these guys have tubes wired way better than me. Most of mine are still changing to my ears. I used to love those Lorenz, now they are odd sounding. I'm sure they will change more I've only got 50 hrs on them at best.
Let these guys know what you are looking for sound wise . Signature and musical taste.

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Has a lot to do with personal preference.  Like tvnosaint I am a fan of the Russian 6N23P 74 & 75 swgp reflektors.  They can be hard to find in well matched pairs.  They are very detailed and great soundstage.
 
Contact rb2013 he often has quality, well matched Russian tubes and is a very honest seller.

 

[oAmadeuso]

+1 For the Heerlen musicality.

 

[CFGamescape]

Most of the active guys here in this forum are Heerlen heads. "Those" are e188cc Philips miniwatts from Heerlen Netherlands . ThurtonX is also using he560 I believe. With Valvo branded similar tube. He will likely respond too. A nice pair of mullards (ecc88, cv2493, Usn cep) adds weight / meat to the sound and easy tone but sacrifices soundstage, reflektors from 74,75 are one of my favorites too but are very hard to find.( legit ones) some find the treble in them hard, I don't . I love the soundstage , dynamics and musicality (75s) bass (74s).
Some of these guys have tubes wired way better than me. Most of mine are still changing to my ears. I used to love those Lorenz, now they are odd sounding. I'm sure they will change more I've only got 50 hrs on them at best.
Let these guys know what you are looking for sound wise . Signature and musical taste.

 
 

 
​+1
 
Has a lot to do with personal preference.  Like tvnosaint I am a fan of the Russian 6N23P 74 & 75 swgp reflektors.  They can be hard to find in well matched pairs.  They are very detailed and great soundstage.
 
Contact rb2013 he often has quality, well matched Russian tubes and is a very honest seller.

 
 

+1 For the Heerlen musicality.

Thanks, guys. Appreciate the responses. I have previously purchased two sets of tubes from rb2013 and agree he's a pleasure to do business with. The ones that are in my amp right now are the '74 Reflektors (gray shield), which I like (more than the cheaper '71 Voskhod gray shields I bought from him), but have nothing better to compare them to at the moment. I would love to get either the '74 or '75 Reflektor silvers, but like you mentioned, they seem to be very hard to find.
 
Looks like I'll try to find me some E188CC Philips Miniwatts. Just so I'm clear on what should be looking for, do the following meet the criteria for these tubes:
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATCHED-PAIR-OF-PHILIPS-AMPEREX-6922-E88CC-SQ-VACUUM-TUBES-/381509882638?hash=item58d3c2d30e:g:2VAAAOSwJkJWiqKf
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/matched-pair-E188CC-from-philips-miniwatt-whit-Valvo-print-and-box-CCa-/301839188044?hash=item464704804c:g:W6oAAOSwSHZWf981
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-E88CC-SQ-NOS-PAIR-GOLD-PIN-NEW-OLD-STOCK-NEW-IN-BOX-VINTAGE-VALVES-TUBES-/181967581171?hash=item2a5e1ceff3:g:3D4AAOSwT5tWFeTO
 
I'm also hoping whatever tubes I get will sound good with my Alpha Prime.
 
Thanks again!

 

[Guidostrunk]

Out of those 3, I'd definitely get those 63 , Valvo(Heerlen) red prints.

Thanks, guys. Appreciate the responses. I have previously purchased two sets of tubes from rb2013 and agree he's a pleasure to do business with. The ones that are in my amp right now are the '74 Reflektors (gray shield), which I like (more than the cheaper '71 Voskhod gray shields I bought from him), but have nothing better to compare them to at the moment. I would love to get either the '74 or '75 Reflektor silvers, but like you mentioned, they seem to be very hard to find.

Looks like I'll try to find me some E188CC Philips Miniwatts. Just so I'm clear on what should be looking for, do the following meet the criteria for these tubes:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MATCHED-PAIR-OF-PHILIPS-AMPEREX-6922-E88CC-SQ-VACUUM-TUBES-/381509882638?hash=item58d3c2d30e:g:2VAAAOSwJkJWiqKf

http://www.ebay.com/itm/matched-pair-E188CC-from-philips-miniwatt-whit-Valvo-print-and-box-CCa-/301839188044?hash=item464704804c:g:W6oAAOSwSHZWf981

http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHILIPS-E88CC-SQ-NOS-PAIR-GOLD-PIN-NEW-OLD-STOCK-NEW-IN-BOX-VINTAGE-VALVES-TUBES-/181967581171?hash=item2a5e1ceff3:g:3D4AAOSwT5tWFeTO

I'm also hoping whatever tubes I get will sound good with my Alpha Prime.

Thanks again!

 

[Oskari]

I rolled in those Lorenz pcc88s …

There's also the question what those exactly are.

 

[tvnosaint]

Not a lot to add about those Lorenz .pictures up a while back. I wanted to try a 7dj8 and a Lorenz tube so I got them.
They were really powerful sounding at first. Everything was turned up to 11. Now the mids are way back in the presentation . Still enjoyable but not in the top drawer.

 

[Oskari]

Not a lot to add about those Lorenz .pictures up a while back. I wanted to try a 7dj8 and a Lorenz tube so I got them.
They were really powerful sounding at first. Everything was turned up to 11. Now the mids are way back in the presentation . Still enjoyable but not in the top drawer.

If it's the SEL Lorenz, those are later and not (likely) made by Lorenz.

 

[billerb1]

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[billerb1]

Out of those 3, I'd definitely get those 63 , Valvo(Heerlen) red prints.

 


Like Guidostrunk, I'd recommend the Philips (or Heerlen-made Valvo) E188CC's over the E88CC's...just my experience. I think they can be pushed harder without distorting, especially with complicated, busy passages. I think they have better separation and more sophisticated layering. More 3-dimensional to my ears too. But I'm also good at self-delusion.
If you're just wanting to test the waters to see if you like the Holland sound, go ahead and try a pair of the E88CC's...early to mid 60's if possible but there's no guarantee that a 1961 pair will sound better than, say, a 1973 pair. But don't pay $100+ for E88CC's. You can easily find them for $50 to $70 (or less) if you're patient. And you can get deals on E188CC Philips as well. I just got a pair of 1960 (2 star SQ)/1963 from swiss-tubes on ebay for $125 that sound better to me than my previous favorite pair of E188CC Miniwatts...which I'd gone thru probably 8 pairs of E188CC's or E88CC's over the past couple of years to find.
The whole Miniwatt thing to me is their majestic midrange. I don't hear it in any other tube. It's music raining down from heaven. And then the Holland Pinched Waists are like Miniwatts on steroids...when you find the exceptional ones. Some aren't...and that's a lot of $ to spend on basically a normal sounding Heerlen tube. You roll the dice and take your chances.

 

[tvnosaint]

If it's the SEL Lorenz, those are later and not (likely) made by Lorenz.

They are SEL. Really nice at first, now they are pretty average. Better than matsu****as and some other well regarded 6922s . $30 what the heck?

 

[Oskari]

They are SEL. Really nice at first, now they are pretty average. Better than matsu****as and some other well regarded 6922s . $30 what the heck?

Yours were made by Tesla apparently.

http://www.tubemongerlib.com/gallery2/v/6DJ8/Tesla+PCC88+1960s+NOS+Lorenz+SEL+Label+with+Bundeswehr+Falcon+Logo+Ro_nov+n_p_+Z_vod+Vrchlab_+-+Czechoslovakia.jpg.html

 

[tvnosaint]

Thanks, one of these days I'm gonna have to look codes up for my tubes. They were sold to me as Lorenz pcc88 for $30. As I said, not special, but pretty good. They don't get a lot of time these days but neither does the lyr. Thanks for the effort Oskari.