Schiit Lyr Tube Rollers
Oct 7, 2016 at 8:26 PM Post #10,051 of 23,494
  Hello That pw tube looks good but I like to get pair.....

I found a pair here couple months ago was asking about $350 for the pair and offered $250 and they accepted it.
https://www.hifishark.com/search?q=pinched+waist
 
Nothing on there currently for a good price really but good to bookmark it.
 
 
 
Single PW Valvo CCa auction.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Valvo-6922-CCA-Pinched-Waist-D-Getter-Gold-Pins-6922-ECC88-6DJ8-/371742489570?hash=item568d943be2:g:vPMAAOSwAuZX4XKV
 
Oct 7, 2016 at 11:47 PM Post #10,052 of 23,494
Yeah looks like I'm leaning towards some PW's. hopefully I can find a deal!
 
Oct 8, 2016 at 2:15 PM Post #10,053 of 23,494
I will try a pair of holland e188cc/7803 gold pin from 74's labeled RCA. I hope the sound will be more impactful and fun :)
 
Oct 8, 2016 at 4:12 PM Post #10,054 of 23,494
So the two PW E88CC from 1957 and 1958 from the russian seller arrived. They were both with the same construction - the 1957 was delta7L.
And luckily the german seller red pinched valvos arrived both 1958. Fun part is that each pair was not matched by themselves but combining the 4 I got 2 really nice pairs one on Mu and emission, the Red Valvos were more used with lower transconductance so I couldn't get a match in that department. One of the tubes(the weakest one) has slight crackle which seems to be fading with more use put on it - so it's either waking up or it's going to die soon :D
 
Either way I'm happy with my gambles really paid off. Also really happy with the sound.
 
Now the comparison PCC88 and E88CC pinched waist -> the e88cc are slightly sonically better. So they do win out on that but I'm definitely going to buy pcc88 pinched waists if I find them for good prices as the difference is negligible and somebody might even prefer the pcc88s over the e88cc as they have slightly heavier bass.
 
Oct 9, 2016 at 5:33 AM Post #10,056 of 23,494
  ^^ congrats bro, you got the PW fever that been nagging at me recently. Great compliment to the German tubes I like so much.

Hehe it's not all unicorns and rainbows, however, after some burn-in one of the weaker Red tubes became even weaker and now you can hear the hiss/crackle all the time. Measures significantly worse as well. I can still listen to it on speakers and HD800 as it's barely audible, but I also noticed that there some light manages to pass through the getter flashing so this tube is on the way out. Funny part is even though it's dying and testing low now and crackling and hissing - the sound is the same and is perfectly matched to the healthy PW.
 
Also I did some more comparison between the PW PCC88 and E88CC from same date/time period and the PCC88 is shorter! And while it sounds really great it's not as crisp as the E88CC.
 
I even tried mixmatching one pinched PCC88 that I have without a brother which tests almost exactly the same as the healthy E88CC in the amp - and it actually sounds quite good, but I noticed a loss of detail and especially bass pressure in the songs I like to listen to (distortion perhaps due to tube difference?).
 
Also popped in my LCD-2 rev.2 (pre-fazor) for a listening session against the HD800 with the E88CC PWs - funny fact is with these tubes both headphones are really similar :D The soundstage of the LCD-2s opens up and highs become better, and the HD800 gets a lovely bottom end extension. So now I just don't need to plug in my LCD-2s at all, ever, I get all the bass I need in my HD800s with these tubes and everything else is just better on the HD800s. 
 
P.S. Read all this with a grain of salt as I may still be hyped over the pinched goodness, but I will definitely still be on the lookout for PWs of both familes! However it seems most sales are in the US, which is sad for me due to customs fees and all that.
 
Oct 9, 2016 at 11:39 AM Post #10,057 of 23,494
You considering returning them? Do you think those test readings on that Funke W19 to be inaccurate in the listing? Though if you return them you would not have a matched pair? Or you could be on the lookout for another 7L3, these seem to be the most readily available. I count myself luck 2 good sets. I stopped there 1 good 7L1 set and a good 7L3 set.
 
Oct 9, 2016 at 12:50 PM Post #10,058 of 23,494
Well I want to keep the other red :D + this one will play well for a while so I plan to use it until I get more PWs and / or the hiss gets really audible. The price was quite decent and the sound is divine.
 
Oct 9, 2016 at 3:01 PM Post #10,060 of 23,494
  What do you guys think about these Voskhods / seller? Grabbed 2 myself.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/172347568575?euid=b7a25b30d976461db04b40132672115d

Got a pair of 74 Reflektors from that seller, sounds good in my Lyr 2 but 1 tube is very noisy in my DAC. In fact I sold that pair to a member here and it turned out noisy in his Mjolnir 2. Refunded his purchase price plus return shipping. Got a 75 Reflektor from a Russian seller. Same thing sounds good in the Lyr 2, 1 tube very noisy in my Lite Dac 68. I probably could of sold them to somebody with a Lyr 2, but pulled them both from my sale thread. I might throw 1 or both in in a trade or something as a bonus. Hope your experience is better than mine.
 
Oct 9, 2016 at 4:13 PM Post #10,061 of 23,494
  Got a pair of 74 Reflektors from that seller, sounds good in my Lyr 2 but 1 tube is very noisy in my DAC. In fact I sold that pair to a member here and it turned out noisy in his Mjolnir 2. Refunded his purchase price plus return shipping. Got a 75 Reflektor from a Russian seller. Same thing sounds good in the Lyr 2, 1 tube very noisy in my Lite Dac 68. I probably could of sold them to somebody with a Lyr 2, but pulled them both from my sale thread. I might throw 1 or both in in a trade or something as a bonus. Hope your experience is better than mine.

Thank you. Interesting. What do you think the reason for the noise is? Used tubes? Factory-faulty tubes?
 
Oct 9, 2016 at 5:30 PM Post #10,062 of 23,494
Here's a single that might work with your stash. Lol. Not sure if it's 7L1...etc. claims to be 58 Heerlen. Never seen a 6922/CCa label either. May be worth keeping an eye on.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371742489570
Well I want to keep the other red :D + this one will play well for a while so I plan to use it until I get more PWs and / or the hiss gets really audible. The price was quite decent and the sound is divine.
 
Oct 10, 2016 at 11:12 AM Post #10,063 of 23,494
So I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a pair of Philips miniwatt sq e188cc heerlen made in 1962. Question is will these sound much different from the 64s or any other early 60s year philips miniwatt sq e188cc heerlen tube? Does year matter?
 
Oct 10, 2016 at 3:05 PM Post #10,064 of 23,494
So I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a pair of Philips miniwatt sq e188cc heerlen made in 1962. Question is will these sound much different from the 64s or any other early 60s year philips miniwatt sq e188cc heerlen tube? Does year matter?

Won't sound much more different than any early 60s E188CC fro Heerlen factory for sure, perhaps could sound slightly better the older it is, perhaps not. There's also pair to pair and tube to tube variation but generally should be the same. I've had 2 pairs from 61/62 Heerlen E188CC and they were/are both amazing.
 
Edit: On a side note these PW singles have been going for crazy prices lately even untested - http://www.ebay.com/itm/391577256712?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT this is a single that sold for 370$. Not that it's a surprise but you know, on a side note the Eindhoven PW that Bill got was sitting at 350$ buy it now for weeks! Seems like people go crazy on auctions, very strange :D
 
Oct 10, 2016 at 4:35 PM Post #10,065 of 23,494
Here's a single that might work with your stash. Lol. Not sure if it's 7L1...etc. claims to be 58 Heerlen. Never seen a 6922/CCa label either. May be worth keeping an eye on.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/371742489570

I think that tube is a 7L3, got a late 57 pair of Amperex PQ 6922 7L3, my CCa PW are 7L1 late 56. This last pair has CCa and E88CC both on the label.
I think this tube is going to break $400 or higher being its a CCa. Not even going to bother watching it.
 
This 6922 PW pair USA is going for $680 OBO freaking insane.
https://www.audiogon.com/listings/tubes-amperex-6922-7l4-pq-pinched-waist-matching-pair-2016-10-09-accessories-11229-brooklyn-ny?refsource=hifishark
 

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