[slex]

Thats a

It might be $100 cheaper, but you're not getting a fully-balanced chain like you do with MJ2.

That's another story

 

[Duan]

I own both C211th and jot, now the C211th has become my preamp for jot and Nad3020.

Jot has a cleaner output. Using C211th for its 100 steps digitally controlled relay-based volume control to avoids channel imbalance and improves sound quality and more inputs and outpus.

So if you had the choice to choose between the Jot and the C211th for driving headphones you would choose the Jot because it provides better sound quality?

 

[slex]

So if you had the choice to choose between the Jot and the C211th for driving headphones you would choose the Jot because it provides better sound quality?

Both are equally capable, one is single ended and the other is a balance amp.like i mentioned, i only use jot with high impedance hp with balance out and is doing a great job.

 

[inanevoyage]

Theoretical question:

Is there a sonic difference at the same volume, between using the balanced output with low gain and a higher volume, or the balanced output with high gain and the volume knob turned lower?

 

[MWSVette]

  Theoretical question:

Is there a sonic difference at the same volume, between using the balanced output with low gain and a higher volume, or the balanced output with high gain and the volume knob turned lower?

No, not at the same SPL...

 

[watchnerd]

  ... and if you don't have a balanced DAC ...?

 

   
The built-in Jotunheim DAC is balanced.

 
I going to amend this:
 
The Jotunheim balanced DAC set up is not exactly equivalent to what you get in the Gungnir or Yggy.
 
The Gungnir (whether DS or MB) and Yggy use full hardware balancing, with 2 DAC chips per channel, for a total of 4 DAC chips (left +, left -, right +, right -).
 
The Jotunheim uses only 2 DAC chips, 1 per channel.  I'm guessing this is in conjunction with a phase splitter.

 

[Jason Stoddard]

   
 
I going to amend this:
 
The Jotunheim balanced DAC set up is not exactly equivalent to what you get in the Gungnir or Yggy.
 
The Gungnir (whether DS or MB) and Yggy use full hardware balancing, with 2 DAC chips per channel, for a total of 4 DAC chips (left +, left -, right +, right -).
 
The Jotunheim uses only 2 DAC chips, 1 per channel.  I'm guessing this is in conjunction with a phase splitter.

But they are 2-channel DACs, so there you go. Still four phases.

 

[watchnerd]

 
But they are 2-channel DACs, so there you go. Still four phases.

 
Indeed.  So a correction to what I wrote earlier...
 
"The Gungnir (whether DS or MB) and Yggy".
 
...making the Jotunheim the same configuration as the Gungnir DS.

 

[Aeromarine]

i wonder how it compare to schiit asguard2 and bifrost stack, ifi idsd, and ifi idsd-bl, jds element, resonessence concero hp?!
 
quality?
sound?
feature?
bang for your buck?
 
mostly using with computer music

 

[Voxata]

Lol @Aeromarine UHM.. I know Mimby+Jot is a good deal better than the Asgard/Bifrost 4490 stack. It is a LOT better than the iDSD, so I'd guess better than the black label version too. The rest I don't know. I don't think I'll upgrade from here for a long time. Beware though, the Jot can fatigue with bright headphones. I had to EQ the treble a little on my 400i.

 

[Aeromarine]

Lol @Aeromarine UHM.. I know Mimby+Jot is a good deal better than the Asgard/Bifrost 4490 stack. It is a LOT better than the iDSD, so I'd guess better than the black label version too. The rest I don't know. I don't think I'll upgrade from here for a long time. Beware though, the Jot can fatigue with bright headphones. I had to EQ the treble a little on my 400i.

oh... thanks for the advice! will take note on that. 

 

[watchnerd]

  i wonder how it compare to schiit asguard2 and bifrost stack, ifi idsd, and ifi idsd-bl, jds element, resonessence concero hp?!
 
quality?
sound?
feature?
bang for your buck?
 
mostly using with computer music

 
All those non-Schiit products are ugly and cheap to look at.
 
Schiit products look way cooler and people who don't know better will think you paid twice as much.

 

[watchnerd]

Jot can fatigue with bright headphones can fatigue with any neutral-sounding amp

 
Here, fixed that for you.

 

[Voxata]

The HD600 was rough on the Jot, also the 400i

 

[Aeromarine]

The HD600 was rough on the Jot, also the 400i

got it! thank you so much!