Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Feb 3, 2022 at 11:48 AM Post #88,066 of 150,703
Hey all, I'm going back to the craziness now.

On the plus side:

1. We still have new products coming, some shockingly good and affordable, some maybe just shocking (or industry-redefining?)
2. The first of the shockingly good stuff is coming soon.
3. The first of the affordable stuff is coming soon.
4. We continue to improve things, and we are seriously working on reducing prices wherever we can.

On the minus side:

1. There's been sooooooooo much disruption in our PCB assemblers' ability to make products that everything has gone out 4 weeks or so from when I predicted. So when I say "February" and Marv laughs and says "March," really think more like "April."
2. There's still sooooo much supply disruption that we are still staring at some significant shortages, though this is better than last week, when I thought I'd be in the middle of full redesigns on 12 products again (microprocessors, argh). There's still some ugly stuff to deal with, but it's not the apocalypse. Still, something bad can pop up anytime.

Thanks to all for their patience, and I hope to have happier news soon!
Hey jason, great post... I know you cant give me a date, but I ordered a Jot2 last week, are you saying there is roughly a 4 week wait, or do you think longer? Thanks!
 
Feb 3, 2022 at 11:57 AM Post #88,068 of 150,703
2022, Chapter 2
Mea Culpa

It’s been over a decade since Modi and Magni were introduced.

During that time, we’ve increased performance, added features, improved quality, refined the looks, and, really, when you get right down to it, we completely transformed a simple, single-input DAC and single-gain amp to the flexible, high-performance products they are today…

…all while holding the line on price.

“Oh crap,” some of you are saying.

And yeah. Sorry. As the title says, mea culpa.

But it’s time we have a serious talk about, ahem, financial realities.


Things Don’t Stay the Same

Well, actually, for a long time, they didn’t just stay the same. They got better. I was shocked to see component and PC board prices generally lower than they had been in the 1990s, when I was ramping Schiit up in 2010.

And those trends continued for a while, at least on some parts. We got better resistors and capacitors for the same money for quite a while—which is one of the reasons we were able to improve our products so much.

“But this can’t last forever, can it?” I asked myself.

And eventually, I was right.

Last year, we started to see extreme price pressure all across the line. Raw steel went up 4X. Aluminum was 2.5X. Boards went up 1.5X. Parts started to creep…10% in some cases, 20% in others, 50% for some. And it wasn’t just raw materials the cost to make things started going skyward as well. The people who make our chassis, wind our transformers, and make our boards—all USA companies—had to offset their rising labor costs, too.

What’s worse, 2021 was the year of the Aluminum Flu. As in, the mills that produced our “perfect finish” sheet either went so far out on the delivery timeline we couldn’t count on them, or they went silent, period. At the same time, one of the companies we worked with from the start got bought and decided the difficult world of making consumer products wasn’t for them.

Aside: want to see a metal vendor run? Mention “consumer finish.” That’s code for “perfect and cheap.” If a metal house has plenty of industrial or defense business, they’re probably not interested in the consumer stuff.
Aside to the aside: as we were looking for metal suppliers in Corpus, the joke was that, if they were a machinist, they wanted to know “what kinda valves we needed,” and, if a sheetmetal supplier, they wanted to know “what kind valve the housing went around.”
Aside to the aside to the aside: the grand irony of all of this is our metal now pretty much all comes from Corpus Christi mills, then goes to California for stamping, then either stays in CA or goes back to Texas. Sounds inefficient? It’s actually not too bad. But we’re working on localizing it more.

Luckily, our most critical metal partner stepped up and figured out some new aluminum finishing techniques that should result in more consistent silver products. That’s the good news.

The bad news is that it costs more.

The other bad news is that clear anodize will always vary a bit. Sigh. But it is a natural finish, so it does vary. Depending on the variations in alloy and surface finish, time in the tank, amount of etch, temperature, hell, phase of the moon, clear anodize is always a bit different. If we want it as consistent as black, we need to go to a sprayed silver.

But...I haven’t found a spray silver I like. We’re checking out Cerakote right now, but there’s no guarantee that it will be easier or less expensive (though, if it works, it may at least be consistent.) Don’t hold your breath—and don’t panic. I won’t allow us to choose an silver finish I don’t like, and I really really like silver.

Also, that said, we also seriously talked about dropping grained aluminum entirely. It would drastically simplify our line. And black always matches.

But I like clear anodize!

But silver is more expensive!

Which brings me to my first bit of mea culpa: almost all the silver products are going up in price.

How much? $10 for a small, $20 for a medismall, $30 for a medium, $50 for a medilarge, $100 for large. Or, to translate:
  • Small: Mani sized
  • Medismall: Lokius sized
  • Medium: Jotunheim sized
  • Medilarge: Freya sized
  • Large: Ragnarok sized
“Wait a sec,” you say. “I heard the ‘almost all.’ What does that mean?”

It means Magni and Modi are excepted. They stay the same price regardless of finish. That’s because we make a bunch of them, and the price for silver and black are still the same.

Except, well…Modis are going up in price, too.

Yeah.


The Cold Equations

I’ll forgive you some gnashing of teeth, but it was beyond time to raise Modi’s price.

Let’s review the facts:
  • It’s been more than 10 years—a decade—since we introduced Modi as a single-input USB DAC
  • In that time, a three-input $149 Modi Uber was our first foray into more than one input
  • That three-input format became standard at $99 with Modi 3, thanks to a simpler chassis and huge economies of scale
  • But even Modi 3 has evolved—to Modi 3+, with Unison USB—a more expensive input receiver than our previous C-Media part, which we absorbed the increase on
  • And it’s now evolved again, now to Modi 3E, the highest performing Modi ever
“Whoa what wait a minute!” you yell. “There’s a new Modi? Why didn’t you lead with that? What’s the difference? Is it ESS? How great does it perform?”

In short, yes, Modi 3E is now available to order.

(Note: not in stock yet. We’ll fulfull current Modi 3+ orders soon, if you’re waiting and want AKM. Modi 3E is probably a month out, thank you supply chain stupidity.)

And yes, it’s ESS. ESS9018, if it matters. And it measures about 3dB better than the old one in terms of THD, and a couple dB better in noise floor. It may not sound like much—but now it’s within striking distance of Modius. And it has a whole bunch of ESS tricks that Dave and Mike learned from Fulla, Hel, and the 9028 card for the modular products…and Modius E, which will also be coming soon.

Aside: please don’t ask me when, or hound our people about these products. The supply chains are still so monumentally boned that I posted recently on another forum, “based on parts availability, we appear to make imaginary products.” I am hammered by redesigns for stupid things like motor drivers and lame-brained microprocessors (used to run relays in preamps and as oversight in amps), and new shortages seem to pop up weekly. Lots of stuff got moved back on the schedule because 3 of our 4 PCB assembly partners had tons of people out for Omicron. This is a “it’ll happen when it happens” year.

“So what’s the bad news on price?” you ask, cautiously.

In a minute.

Let’s continue running the previous line of thought down.

You know, the one where Modi has absorbed 10 years of inflation and grown into a 3-input, high performance product—while retaining the original price.

Anyone can go to an inflation calculator, and it’ll spit out a laughable number of 1.21x from 2012 to “today.” But I suspect “today” is really more like “well, maybe around the beginning of 2021,” not really “today.” And if you add the 7-9% numbers people are throwing around for the current rate, 1.3x seems a bit more realistic.

Well, unless you’re talking food or gas…but that’s another discussion, isn’t it?

So, 1.3x.

Or, so Modi 3E is $129.

Cue the armchair economists:

Oh my gawd, that’s 30% higher, are you nuts, that’s a whole different ballgame!
Aren’t you concerned about losing the 2-digit price tag?
How do we know there won’t be additional price increases?

Let me answer the last first: well, there’s no way of knowing, is there? If we end up in a world of $25 Big Macs, sure, there may be additional price increases…but we did choose the new price point in hopes of not having to do the death-by-a-thousand-cuts thing.

As far as the $99 price tag? We ran the numbers. Bottom line, there’s no real path to a $99 Modi. Not even a single-input one. Or, well, at least there doesn’t appear to be. And I’m not sure we want to do a single-input Modi anyway. It doesn’t really save that much.

And finally, the first “whole different ballgame” comment: you do know that we’re still priced lower than overseas manufacturers making entry-level DACs, right?

Oh boy. I did it now.

Cue the howling.

“But those DACs may have features like MQA and DSD!” someone cries.​
“And those DACs may have higher measured performance!” cries another.​
“And who cares, I’m not some crazy flag-waving USAan!” states yet another.​

And, I hear you.

So, to be perfectly clear: I’m not crapping on anyone else’s products, or second-guessing anyone’s decision. There are no wrong answers here. And, if you want a product that does MQA and DSD, then maybe our stuff isn’t for you. We’ve never tried to hide this fact.

And if you want the highest measured performance (based on a single number at a single frequency), yeah, maybe Modi isn’t at the top of the charts. But other people may want an affordable DAC created by—and obsessed over by—Mike and Dave, a team that is absolutely foundational in digital audio. Seriously, I don’t think I’ve seen so many iterative tweaks to a design than Modi 3E. And “absolutely foundational?” Yeah, I’d say that identifying jitter as a key performance metric for digital audio, using DSP to do their own digital filters, refining designs with FFT measurements, and implementing some of the first standalone DACs, digital preamps, and affordable digital products—in the 1980s and 1990s—is “absolutely foundational.”

And yeah, we know, our value proposition becomes weaker outside of the US, and some people don’t particularly care about an object’s provenance—but, again, some people do care.

Again, there are no wrong answers. There’s no shade being thrown. If our stuff works for you, great. If not, there’s plenty of other fine equipment out there.

So. To sum up:

Modi 3E: the highest-performing Modi ever. Now $129.


The Road to Tomorrow

“Okay, that’s fine,” you say. “We get it. You’re raising prices a bit on silver products. And there’s a new Modi that’s more expensive and higher performance. But where are you going with this?”

I think I answered this, but let’s explain in simpler terms: I think this is the one shot we need to adjust prices.

As in, don’t expect a new “price increase of the month.” You won’t have to worry about suddenly “now it’s Magni too,” or “here’s yet another upcharge on Bifrost 2.” Or anything else.

We thought long and hard about these price changes, and did everything we could to ensure they were required, appropriate, and not half-measures. So, unless there are other surprises—like accelerating inflation—we’re good.

And that doesn’t mean we won’t be looking at ways to bring prices down. After all, we’ve done it in the past.

There’s no reason we can’t do it again.

Here’s to happier days!
I'd want one off principle. I have no need (clearly as I have a Modius, and Hel for secondary duties), but I just... love supporting you guys. Spoke with Denise a lot these past few weeks, and I'm just waiting for you guys to have Magnius again, so I could get one with another (black) Modius as a perfect secondary for my TV setup. Then again, maybe I should hold off until your next launch/es.

Is it a Valius? Or a Valheim? If it is... then maybe I'll wait... lol. :wink:

Or even better in some regards, a true amp/dac all in one. Full digital input suite, and Magni level or higher power spec. I can dream. Maybe a Helius (with mic input for true streamer capability), or Helheim... balanced with a mic! I CAN DREAM.

And BTW, I only had it a short time (and I'm second guessing returning it), but I LOVED the Asgard 3 with the 9028 add in DAC. I couldn't tell a lick of difference between the ESS 9028 and the AKM equipped Modius running to the Asgard 3's RCA input. So all this talk about the Sabre dacs being bright or harsh are completely unfounded. It sounded excellent. I wouldn't have returned it other than the fact I have a noisy system and need to run balanced to cut the noise, especially from my TV.

I mean I already knew that was a stupid assumption, as I already had a few sabre dac sources that were anything but.

People here will understand the jump in price. Times are hard, and prices are going up in literally every market. Hell I remember buying Chicken Wings for $11... now the same place sells them for $18! That's a dramatic jump for the same count!
 
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Feb 3, 2022 at 12:10 PM Post #88,069 of 150,703
I love the black. My only ask is for more contrast. You like sliver @Jason Stoddard? How about using the same silver knobs on the amps and such. I am not a fan of the grey voume knobs with the black Schiit stuff. I know Magnius, Fulla, and Hel have their own black volume knob, which is fine. I am more talking about Asgard, Vahalla, Jotunheim, Lyr, and Ragnarok. I am not even sure what a black Magni or Vali looks like, or the input button on a black Modi Multibit but I also hope you are using the same small sleek silver parts.
 
Feb 3, 2022 at 12:15 PM Post #88,070 of 150,703
2022, Chapter 2
Mea Culpa

It’s been over a decade since Modi and Magni were introduced.

During that time, we’ve increased performance, added features, improved quality, refined the looks, and, really, when you get right down to it, we completely transformed a simple, single-input DAC and single-gain amp to the flexible, high-performance products they are today…

…all while holding the line on price.

“Oh crap,” some of you are saying.

And yeah. Sorry. As the title says, mea culpa.

But it’s time we have a serious talk about, ahem, financial realities.


Things Don’t Stay the Same

Well, actually, for a long time, they didn’t just stay the same. They got better. I was shocked to see component and PC board prices generally lower than they had been in the 1990s, when I was ramping Schiit up in 2010.

And those trends continued for a while, at least on some parts. We got better resistors and capacitors for the same money for quite a while—which is one of the reasons we were able to improve our products so much.

“But this can’t last forever, can it?” I asked myself.

And eventually, I was right.

Last year, we started to see extreme price pressure all across the line. Raw steel went up 4X. Aluminum was 2.5X. Boards went up 1.5X. Parts started to creep…10% in some cases, 20% in others, 50% for some. And it wasn’t just raw materials the cost to make things started going skyward as well. The people who make our chassis, wind our transformers, and make our boards—all USA companies—had to offset their rising labor costs, too.

What’s worse, 2021 was the year of the Aluminum Flu. As in, the mills that produced our “perfect finish” sheet either went so far out on the delivery timeline we couldn’t count on them, or they went silent, period. At the same time, one of the companies we worked with from the start got bought and decided the difficult world of making consumer products wasn’t for them.

Aside: want to see a metal vendor run? Mention “consumer finish.” That’s code for “perfect and cheap.” If a metal house has plenty of industrial or defense business, they’re probably not interested in the consumer stuff.
Aside to the aside: as we were looking for metal suppliers in Corpus, the joke was that, if they were a machinist, they wanted to know “what kinda valves we needed,” and, if a sheetmetal supplier, they wanted to know “what kind valve the housing went around.”
Aside to the aside to the aside: the grand irony of all of this is our metal now pretty much all comes from Corpus Christi mills, then goes to California for stamping, then either stays in CA or goes back to Texas. Sounds inefficient? It’s actually not too bad. But we’re working on localizing it more.

Luckily, our most critical metal partner stepped up and figured out some new aluminum finishing techniques that should result in more consistent silver products. That’s the good news.

The bad news is that it costs more.

The other bad news is that clear anodize will always vary a bit. Sigh. But it is a natural finish, so it does vary. Depending on the variations in alloy and surface finish, time in the tank, amount of etch, temperature, hell, phase of the moon, clear anodize is always a bit different. If we want it as consistent as black, we need to go to a sprayed silver.

But...I haven’t found a spray silver I like. We’re checking out Cerakote right now, but there’s no guarantee that it will be easier or less expensive (though, if it works, it may at least be consistent.) Don’t hold your breath—and don’t panic. I won’t allow us to choose an silver finish I don’t like, and I really really like silver.

Also, that said, we also seriously talked about dropping grained aluminum entirely. It would drastically simplify our line. And black always matches.

But I like clear anodize!

But silver is more expensive!

Which brings me to my first bit of mea culpa: almost all the silver products are going up in price.

How much? $10 for a small, $20 for a medismall, $30 for a medium, $50 for a medilarge, $100 for large. Or, to translate:
  • Small: Mani sized
  • Medismall: Lokius sized
  • Medium: Jotunheim sized
  • Medilarge: Freya sized
  • Large: Ragnarok sized
“Wait a sec,” you say. “I heard the ‘almost all.’ What does that mean?”

It means Magni and Modi are excepted. They stay the same price regardless of finish. That’s because we make a bunch of them, and the price for silver and black are still the same.

Except, well…Modis are going up in price, too.

Yeah.


The Cold Equations

I’ll forgive you some gnashing of teeth, but it was beyond time to raise Modi’s price.

Let’s review the facts:
  • It’s been more than 10 years—a decade—since we introduced Modi as a single-input USB DAC
  • In that time, a three-input $149 Modi Uber was our first foray into more than one input
  • That three-input format became standard at $99 with Modi 3, thanks to a simpler chassis and huge economies of scale
  • But even Modi 3 has evolved—to Modi 3+, with Unison USB—a more expensive input receiver than our previous C-Media part, which we absorbed the increase on
  • And it’s now evolved again, now to Modi 3E, the highest performing Modi ever
“Whoa what wait a minute!” you yell. “There’s a new Modi? Why didn’t you lead with that? What’s the difference? Is it ESS? How great does it perform?”

In short, yes, Modi 3E is now available to order.

(Note: not in stock yet. We’ll fulfull current Modi 3+ orders soon, if you’re waiting and want AKM. Modi 3E is probably a month out, thank you supply chain stupidity.)

And yes, it’s ESS. ESS9018, if it matters. And it measures about 3dB better than the old one in terms of THD, and a couple dB better in noise floor. It may not sound like much—but now it’s within striking distance of Modius. And it has a whole bunch of ESS tricks that Dave and Mike learned from Fulla, Hel, and the 9028 card for the modular products…and Modius E, which will also be coming soon.

Aside: please don’t ask me when, or hound our people about these products. The supply chains are still so monumentally boned that I posted recently on another forum, “based on parts availability, we appear to make imaginary products.” I am hammered by redesigns for stupid things like motor drivers and lame-brained microprocessors (used to run relays in preamps and as oversight in amps), and new shortages seem to pop up weekly. Lots of stuff got moved back on the schedule because 3 of our 4 PCB assembly partners had tons of people out for Omicron. This is a “it’ll happen when it happens” year.

“So what’s the bad news on price?” you ask, cautiously.

In a minute.

Let’s continue running the previous line of thought down.

You know, the one where Modi has absorbed 10 years of inflation and grown into a 3-input, high performance product—while retaining the original price.

Anyone can go to an inflation calculator, and it’ll spit out a laughable number of 1.21x from 2012 to “today.” But I suspect “today” is really more like “well, maybe around the beginning of 2021,” not really “today.” And if you add the 7-9% numbers people are throwing around for the current rate, 1.3x seems a bit more realistic.

Well, unless you’re talking food or gas…but that’s another discussion, isn’t it?

So, 1.3x.

Or, so Modi 3E is $129.

Cue the armchair economists:

Oh my gawd, that’s 30% higher, are you nuts, that’s a whole different ballgame!
Aren’t you concerned about losing the 2-digit price tag?
How do we know there won’t be additional price increases?

Let me answer the last first: well, there’s no way of knowing, is there? If we end up in a world of $25 Big Macs, sure, there may be additional price increases…but we did choose the new price point in hopes of not having to do the death-by-a-thousand-cuts thing.

As far as the $99 price tag? We ran the numbers. Bottom line, there’s no real path to a $99 Modi. Not even a single-input one. Or, well, at least there doesn’t appear to be. And I’m not sure we want to do a single-input Modi anyway. It doesn’t really save that much.

And finally, the first “whole different ballgame” comment: you do know that we’re still priced lower than overseas manufacturers making entry-level DACs, right?

Oh boy. I did it now.

Cue the howling.

“But those DACs may have features like MQA and DSD!” someone cries.​
“And those DACs may have higher measured performance!” cries another.​
“And who cares, I’m not some crazy flag-waving USAan!” states yet another.​

And, I hear you.

So, to be perfectly clear: I’m not crapping on anyone else’s products, or second-guessing anyone’s decision. There are no wrong answers here. And, if you want a product that does MQA and DSD, then maybe our stuff isn’t for you. We’ve never tried to hide this fact.

And if you want the highest measured performance (based on a single number at a single frequency), yeah, maybe Modi isn’t at the top of the charts. But other people may want an affordable DAC created by—and obsessed over by—Mike and Dave, a team that is absolutely foundational in digital audio. Seriously, I don’t think I’ve seen so many iterative tweaks to a design than Modi 3E. And “absolutely foundational?” Yeah, I’d say that identifying jitter as a key performance metric for digital audio, using DSP to do their own digital filters, refining designs with FFT measurements, and implementing some of the first standalone DACs, digital preamps, and affordable digital products—in the 1980s and 1990s—is “absolutely foundational.”

And yeah, we know, our value proposition becomes weaker outside of the US, and some people don’t particularly care about an object’s provenance—but, again, some people do care.

Again, there are no wrong answers. There’s no shade being thrown. If our stuff works for you, great. If not, there’s plenty of other fine equipment out there.

So. To sum up:

Modi 3E: the highest-performing Modi ever. Now $129.


The Road to Tomorrow

“Okay, that’s fine,” you say. “We get it. You’re raising prices a bit on silver products. And there’s a new Modi that’s more expensive and higher performance. But where are you going with this?”

I think I answered this, but let’s explain in simpler terms: I think this is the one shot we need to adjust prices.

As in, don’t expect a new “price increase of the month.” You won’t have to worry about suddenly “now it’s Magni too,” or “here’s yet another upcharge on Bifrost 2.” Or anything else.

We thought long and hard about these price changes, and did everything we could to ensure they were required, appropriate, and not half-measures. So, unless there are other surprises—like accelerating inflation—we’re good.

And that doesn’t mean we won’t be looking at ways to bring prices down. After all, we’ve done it in the past.

There’s no reason we can’t do it again.

Here’s to happier days!
Thank you for the chapter.

I see 2 silver options. One $129 and one $139. Is this a typo/mistake or a real difference?
https://www.schiit.com/products/modi-1


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Feb 3, 2022 at 12:17 PM Post #88,071 of 150,703
All good Jason and well understood. Actually the Modi price is fair just calculating the inflation throughout these years. One question if you don't mind for us across the pond. What is the point of having a UK website if everything is always out of stock?
The UK website is not us. That is our distributor. Our distributors are separate companies from us. We have no control over what they order and what they stock.

That said, we are still extremely production limited--literally all of our output is not enough for the USA alone. We've been working on increasing volume, but literally every time we double output, we end up behind again. We're going to try again this year. We'll see.

Hey jason, great post... I know you cant give me a date, but I ordered a Jot2 last week, are you saying there is roughly a 4 week wait, or do you think longer? Thanks!

We're building them right now (I'm here in Valencia), so it should be a much shorter wait.

I might be the odd few but...... generally I actually prefer the ESS sound to the AKM sound. So for that reason I'm looking forward to the Modi 3E. :)

As do I. I'm very happy with Hel 2E, the 9028 card, etc. And those are my designs. Modi 3E is a Mike/Dave project, and was really, really obsessed over. They used a wholly different and more complex output stage, additional high-rate oscillator, additional precision power supplies...it's totally different than Modi 3+. Board images will be incoming, I'm waiting for production just like everyone.
 
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Feb 3, 2022 at 12:20 PM Post #88,072 of 150,703
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Feb 3, 2022 at 12:22 PM Post #88,073 of 150,703
The upcharge silver should be locked out of selection if you pick Modi 3E. What OS and browser are you using?

Win 10 (64)
Google Chrome

EDIT: I just refreshed and it is now gone with only one Silver choice. Must have just been a blip in the matrix...
 
Feb 3, 2022 at 12:27 PM Post #88,074 of 150,703
The upcharge silver should be locked out of selection if you pick Modi 3E. What OS and browser are you using?
on windows 10 (21H2, x64) with Edge 97.0.x.xxxx seems buggy too. after making selections, "please select" options seem to not reset correctly

also from a refreshed page, selecting the finish pulldown first shows three options (black, silver, silver at $10 more)
 
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Feb 3, 2022 at 12:41 PM Post #88,075 of 150,703
The upcharge silver should be locked out of selection if you pick Modi 3E. What OS and browser are you using?

I think that is because two Silvers are showing up. One priced at $129, one at $129.
 

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Feb 3, 2022 at 1:29 PM Post #88,077 of 150,703
Hey all, I'm going back to the craziness now.

On the plus side:

1. We still have new products coming, some shockingly good and affordable, some maybe just shocking (or industry-redefining?)
2. The first of the shockingly good stuff is coming soon.
3. The first of the affordable stuff is coming soon.
4. We continue to improve things, and we are seriously working on reducing prices wherever we can.

On the minus side:

1. There's been sooooooooo much disruption in our PCB assemblers' ability to make products that everything has gone out 4 weeks or so from when I predicted. So when I say "February" and Marv laughs and says "March," really think more like "April."
2. There's still sooooo much supply disruption that we are still staring at some significant shortages, though this is better than last week, when I thought I'd be in the middle of full redesigns on 12 products again (microprocessors, argh). There's still some ugly stuff to deal with, but it's not the apocalypse. Still, something bad can pop up anytime.

Thanks to all for their patience, and I hope to have happier news soon!
Sounds like our company, paying more for supply chain and selling less and later ... with back orders for several months / years
 
Feb 3, 2022 at 1:53 PM Post #88,079 of 150,703
That said, we are still extremely production limited--literally all of our output is not enough for the USA alone. We've been working on increasing volume, but literally every time we double output, we end up behind again. We're going to try again this year. We'll see.
Nicer problems to have! Thanks for the reply and let’s hope there will be some stock soon. I’ve been looking for the Jotunhaim 2 since ever.
 

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