Schiit Happened: The Story of the World's Most Improbable Start-Up
Jun 29, 2015 at 10:46 PM Post #6,856 of 149,701
Late to the conversation too. I think a terrific product will be some grey box  for speaker amps to drive safely a variety of headphones. I don't know if this is a valid proposition and sorry if it is a plain silly,  but being a primary speaker guy, what a bliss would be to try different cans with either class a, set300b, or any other speaker amp. You cuold call it  the Schiit Avfall.
 
I also see a case for a preamp whit different selectable "flavors" active ss, valve output, passive, or maybe more in line with your single purpose box philosophy a discrete headphone amp (meaning no volume control) to pair whit any stereo preamp. 
 
Jun 29, 2015 at 11:23 PM Post #6,857 of 149,701
Since this is a book about audio, how about recording it as an audio book? I'm guessing you must know *someone* in the recording industry...
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I know a person who can do this. Could do it for cheap.
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 3:02 AM Post #6,858 of 149,701
Go find an elephant..........     
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-When in secondary school, touring circuses would use our soccer field for shows. Our arts & crafts-teacher was living practically next door, and he had heard that the circus had to pay to dispose of the animal dung. So, ever the bright spark, he figured that as farmers used dung to fertilize their fields, the dung would make for excellent nutrition for his flower beds, and offered them to dump the dung in his driveway - for free.
 
The circus workers looked quite amused when offloading what appeared to be quite literally a ton of elephant & assorted droppings in front of his house, then took off before he got a chance to change his mind....
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 7:26 AM Post #6,859 of 149,701
  2015, Chapter 10:
Knowing Our Place?
 
So, what about some new show ideas? I’m blue-skying here, feel free to add.
 
  • A show where everyone gets the same amount of space. In the headphone world, call it just one table. What would you do with that, if you couldn’t bring your 30-foot backwall and light show? Who would look most impressive then?
  • Better, a show where everyone is allowed to bring only a single system. Regardless of how big or small they are. It’s easy for us to look impressive and big with 8 separate systems from $79 to $3998, but what if we had to bring just a single system? What would we bring? And why? What would everyone else bring? Would it make sense to go all-out, or impress with budget-constrained products?
  • Or how about a show with “no system over $1,000?” How would that go? What would we find if the top-end is lopped off of the show, and we all have to bring budget gear?
  • Or maybe better, a show segregated by budget? This would definitely help prevent heart failure when people start asking about prices.
  • Meets that challenge you. You know, I’ve been thinking a lot about the whole objective/subjective dichotomy we have in audio lately, and I think it may be time to create a new kind of test. Not ABX with unfamiliar music, but something much more interesting—letting people choose their own music and switch between two different signal chains when they wanted (both level-matched and with distortion lower than audibility, you know, typical “good test results.” The goal would be to see if (a) a consistent majority preferred one signal chain over another, and (b) to see how many people could consistently tell the difference. Yes, I know, this kind of test will never satisfy the ABX folks, but I think it might get us a little closer to the truth about whether or not there are some people who consistently hear audible differences in systems that should sound the same. I suspect the answer is neither 100% subjective nor 100% objective, but a continuum…some people can hear the difference, some can’t, some care, some don’t…and all of that is fine. Of course, this is a big undertaking, but…hmmm…I need to think about this some more, I kinda just write stuff as it comes to me.
 
So, am I crazy or what? (Yes, I know, you’re probably laughing and nodding your head.) But I will say one thing: the past years I’ve spent in headphone audio has been more fun than all the years of two-channel, home theater, and video servers put together. There’s still a fresh, raw edge to the headphone side that I really don’t want to see plowed under in the ongoing rush to unobtanium pricing.
 

 
1) Say a 3*1meter table. Do not use many different systems. Maybe set-up three times the same system. That way all people can listen to what you have on display and there will be no crowd surrounding you top system and no one near the bottom system. Make sure you have enough info, flyers, business cards, etc. Make clear what people are listing to. Meaning a banner or something which clearly says what amps/cans/sources are being used. Quality over quantity, not a wobbly old table and a stained cloth. Make sure everything is neat and tidy. Make sure that the people who work at the table at the table are clearly reconcilable.
 
2) No clear answer, depends on show, location, target group etc.
 
3) Personally I am not that interested in the bottom end of a brand at shows. I can see and hear that stuff at dealers. It does not need to be and all out top end assault. But neither a budget affair.
 
4) Stand holders should never hide the prices of their products. If a manufacturer come to a show with a million euro set. Then that's all fine but it should be clearly stated. If they prefer they can mention a set price. But I prefer little signs near each component. Amp brand X 10.000 euro.
 
5) Letting people play their own music is a no-brainer. Especially when using cans. Audiophile crap like Patricia Barber and Nora Jones annoys the **** out of me. If you want to let people hear the full potential of your gear do not be afraid. Play anything form Ouverture 1812 to Trentmøller to Simon and Garfunkel.
 
Jun 30, 2015 at 8:21 PM Post #6,860 of 149,701
From Miami: Wynwood Art district, monthly, small art galleries open to the public.  in a small 3sq mile area (perhaps) the streets are filled with lots of people [hipsters, the gentry, etc.] enjoying the culture: art, food, music...and "fashion".    i'd love to enter one (or a few????) of the galleries and see you and others like you (devore, zu, audio note?) showing what (not too) hi-fi can do. i'd be willing to pitch in a few phone calls to help you get it started.  imagine, starting a kind of hi-fi tour across the country, employing/centering on  many cities' art districts for this purpose.  visual art/performance art/food/music, all seems to go hand-in-hand, to me.  best wishes
 
Jul 1, 2015 at 10:48 AM Post #6,861 of 149,701
2015 Chapter 11: 
Food Scientists vs. Michelin Stars
 
On the advertising agency side of things, we have the “parable of the ice cream man” that we use to illustrate the old adage of “if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.”
 
Huh? Ice cream men? Food scientists? Hammers? What the heck is Jason rambling on about now, you ask. Is he hungry? Demented? Just too damn hot in the unusual muggy summer heat that makes wearing headphones and writing a misery?
 
Maybe a bit of all of the above. But bear with me.
 
First, let’s talk about the advertising agency biz. Ad agencies rank down there with used car salesmen and Kirby door-to-door shills in many people’s eyes, despite some lingering Mad Men-inspired-but-really-never-happened fun-times memes. And yeah, I understand. When many agencies make a living by charging ridiculous multiples for every intern’s time and have big headcounts that do nothing but justify their (oops, surprisingly) large bills, the reputation is deserved.
 
But one thing a (good) agency does well is solve marketing problems, rather than sell a specific service.
 
For example, there are any number of marketing specialists like “social media consultants” or “native content advertising specialists” or “pay-per-click advertising companies” out there. And they’re defined by their single specific slice of the marketing pie…social media or native advertising or pay-per-click or whatever. That’s what they do. And if you, as a company, invite them in the door, you know exactly what they’re going to try to sell you…either social media or native advertising or PPC.
 
And that’s how they’re like the ice cream man. The ice cream man drives around and sells ice cream. On a hot day, he’s a welcome relief. The perfect solution (well, that is if you aren’t paleo, or on a ketosis diet, or, well, hell, food is weird these days). But on a cold day, who wants it? Unfortunately, ice cream is what he has to sell, even on the cold days, the rainy days, and the times you really have exactly zero interest in ice cream.
 
Just like those marketing specialists. If you want (and need) what they’re selling, you’re in luck. If you don’t want or need it, you may end up buying something that does nothing for you.
 
Compare this to a full-service advertising agency or marketing agency. A (good) agency will sit down and listen to what you want to do, then offer ways to accomplish your goals. These ways may not be what you expected. They may not even be what you asked for. But a (good) agency will be able to pull from a variety of strategies and tactics that it has experience with, and recommend some that offer the highest probability of success.
 
So, you could say they sell ice cream. And tacos. And organic nuts. And fresh fruit. And lots of other things. But they’re not just selling ice cream. They’re selling what you need, rather than only what they have.
 
And that’s the parable of the ice cream man. I’ve used it tons of times…when a company comes asking for a social media program when they really need direct mail (yes, still relevant—depends on the audience) or when they want to change a perfectly good website that really just needs more traffic.
 
So what does this have to do with food scientists vs the cordon bleu? Read on.
 
 
The Insult That Backfired
 
Early on, soon after Schiit launched, the objectivist movement sniffed us out and began throwing various insults our way. “They must not use any test equipment, they just talk about how things sound.” “Those designs are huge, inefficient, and overpriced…probably unreliable, too.”
 
And my personal favorite, which went something like, “How can a tiny audiophile company imagine it could do better than the latest TI op-amp, they have a worldwide staff of scientists and engineers working on those designs?”
 
When I first read that, I was taken aback. Because, yep, it sounds completely insane. One or two engineers at a tiny company that started in a garage with miniscule resources, pitted against the combined might of, say, TI or Analog Devices? Most people would bet on the big guys.
 
But then I started thinking about it.
 
And I realized: Frito-Lay probably has more food scientists working on the newest formula for Doritos than there are Michelin-starred chefs in the world…but which would you rather eat?
 
And…Darden Restaurants and Taco Bell, Inc and McDonald’s probably have tons of food scientists stapled to their beancounters…but wouldn’t you rather have something fresh from a Cordon Bleu chef’s kitchen?
 
Both of those are perfect examples of where single individuals trump teams of scientists armed with the latest technology all the time.
 
Why?
 
Two reasons, I think:
 
  • They actually give a crap about raising the bar on how something tastes (and have the knowledge to at least point in the direction of a solution.)
  • They don’t have to worry about packagability, shelf life, merchantability, etc. (and yeah, I know, this is a big one.)
 
So, happy with turning the insult around (though I never said anything about it), I let it go.
 
Until today, when I realized this is a great way to describe what we’re doing with digital audio.
 
 
Digital, Michelin Stars, and Flavor Technicians
 
I’ve gone over this before, so I won’t go into insane depth again, but here’s the gist of what we’re trying to do with multibit digital audio playback: preserve the original samples of the vast majority of music out there, in order to offer the best possible playback fidelity.
 
And yeah, I know, some people think we’re full of Schiit when we start talking about closed-form digital filters and how most DACs simply replace everything with a reduced-bit-depth approximation of the original. That’s fine. I’ll let them argue with Baldr (Mike Moffat) about that one.
 
But here it is: we do have a stated purpose. And that stated purpose is to make the most out of the ingredients we have.
 
Kinda like a top chef, huh?
 
(Or, well, maybe at least a good one. Throw me a bone here.)
 
Contrast this to the approach taken by delta-sigma DACs. The vast majority of music in this world (about 99.99%--do the math on the tracks available yourself) goes in at 16/44 and gets transformed into a multi-order noise-shaped 2- to 5-bit approximation of the original. Yes, even in some very exotic designs.
 
Which, if you think about it, isn’t that a lot like the food scientists at Frito-Lay and Taco Bell trying to preserve some shade of the original ingredients through latest-tech additives, preservatives, flavor enhancers and modifiers?
 
“So you’re saying that everyone else is wrong?” you ask, arms crossed.
 
Not at all.
 
What matters in food is in the tasting. And there are some true food artists working in the molecular gastronomy space. And then there’s personal preference, too. Sometimes it’s time for a bag of Doritos. And sometimes it’s time for yellowtail sashimi with lime and burdock.
 
If someone achieves the perfect result for your ears, don’t worry about this analogy. Sit back, listen, and enjoy. Hell, we make delta-sigma DACs too, and they sound plenty fine. And, especially in the case of $99-149 products, there won’t ever be a multibit option at that price range.
 
But, as Mike has said, we’re gonna be bringing multibit technology to our upgradable products…and then you have a choice. Stay delta-sigma, or go multibit. It’s entirely up to you.
 
 
More than DACs
 
Almost every day, someone asks why don’t we do a Bluetooth audio interface, or a Class D amp, or digital room correction, or any other number of nifty audio-scientist-style tricks that are as easy as picking up a chipset and (in some cases) doing some RF certifications.
 
Aside: which goes to show how simple and ubiquitous these massive technological solutions are. If you ride the teams-of-audio-scientists train, you do get quite an amazing toolkit. Easy wireless transmission of compressed audio, $5 100W amp chips, and automatic room correction for the price of a chipset, a license, and a microphone.
 
But every one of these solutions runs counter to our goals. Bluetooth audio is lossy and variable in terms of quality, depending on your source and how far away you are from the receiver. It’s taking those original samples, applying perceptual encoding-based compression, and decompressing on the other side to an approximation of the original. Yes, it can sound good, but it’s not us. Class D amps? Same thing. They take the analog waveform (or, in some cases, direct digital input) and use noise-shaping and filtering to approximate it at the output. Digital room correction? Again, everything’s being run through a number of very complex mathematical transformations—in this case, where the actual goal is to change the output in order to compensate for the room. Used correctly, this is impressive technology…but, like stability control on a car, sometimes it’s hard to tell where it actually goes off the rails until something bad happens.
 
“So you guys are grumpy old buttheads, forcing the hard way on everyone?”
 
No. Not at all. We’re explaining what we do, and why we do it. If what we’re doing sounds good to you, then there you go. If not, not. Depending on how many people think we’re crazy, we’ll either continue to succeed, or die on the vine.
 
But…there is a method to our madness. There are reasons for what we do, besides "let's make a product that hits the current hype du jour and makes big profit."
 
If this parable helps you understand what we’re shooting for in digital, then it’s done its job. Beyond that, it’s up to you to decide what your own personal preference is.
 
 
The Real Moral: Here’s to the Misfits
 
Okay, I’ve explained what we’re trying to do. But it’s important to remember that there are plenty of other companies out there that are pushing the limits of what we can do in audio…and that don’t have globe-spanning teams of scientists and engineers.
 
So here’s to everyone who tilt at the monoliths. Who don’t think a homogeneous, Lightning-cable-connected, DSP-corrected-to-the-eardrums solution based on big science and lowest-common-denominator parts assembled in an inexpensive corner of the globe is the One True Future Path. Who work with parts long obsolete…or create new technologies that elude even the giant engineering teams (remember, TI licensed Nelson Pass’ patent, not the other way around.) Who explore improbable ways to do things…and sometimes succeed. Who ignore the datasheets and reference designs and tweak it until they have something better. Who listen, and measure, and come back to do it again and again.
 
Because, otherwise, all we have is Doritos. And that’s a very, very sad place to be.
 
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Jul 1, 2015 at 10:59 AM Post #6,862 of 149,701
Aaannd...some photos from around the shop during the latest Ragnarok run:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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Jul 1, 2015 at 11:04 AM Post #6,863 of 149,701
As one of those guys from an Ad Agency; figuring out what you are and what you want to be is key. When a client knows that, the rest comes fairly easy. And you've got the branding, I see nothing but good things in the future!
 
Jul 1, 2015 at 11:12 AM Post #6,864 of 149,701
Hey, watch it.  I sold Kirbys one summer working my way through college.  And I still have and use an old vintage Kirby I took in trade.  Interesting thing about that episode, tho, is that I experienced more vitriol at the door from being a door-to-door salesman than I did for having long hippie hair.  I learned that people aren't nice when they have an accepted excuse for not being so.
 
But yeah, who wants Doritos when you can have haggis nachos... er, ah... 
 
Jul 1, 2015 at 11:14 AM Post #6,865 of 149,701
  Who listen, and measure, and come back to do it again and again.

 
I do think there are folks exploring delta-sigma in very interesting ways, e.g., Jussi Laako (a/k/a "Miska")'s HQPlayer software and open hardware DSC1 DAC, just as there are other people doing interesting things on the PCM/multibit road, e.g., Peter Stordiau with his XXHighEnd software and Phasure NOS1a DAC.
 
But that's an aside.  Your couple of sentences about "They must not use any test equipment..." reminded me that what I really want to ask is whether you and Mike would write a segment not necessarily about how, but about some of what you measure when you do your tests.  I'm not asking for any secret sauce here.  I'm sure that many of the things you and other audio companies measure as a matter of routine (and how they relate to performance in terms of both specs and sound quality) are completely at 90 degrees to the perpetual objectivist/subjectivist arguments.  So while the non-professionals have their arguments about relatively meaningless stuff, what are real audio engineers/designers measuring?
 
Jul 1, 2015 at 11:15 AM Post #6,866 of 149,701
  Hey, watch it.  I sold Kirbys one summer working my way through college.  And I still have and use an old vintage Kirby I took in trade.  Interesting thing about that episode, tho, is that I experienced more vitriol at the door from being a door-to-door salesman than I did for having long hippie hair.  I learned that people aren't nice when they have an accepted excuse for not being so.
 
But yeah, who wants Doritos when you can have haggis nachos... er, ah... 


New! Haggis Nachos Flavored Doritos! With 10000% more food science!!!!
 
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Jul 1, 2015 at 11:16 AM Post #6,867 of 149,701
  Your couple of sentences about "They must not use any test equipment..." reminded me that what I really want to ask is whether you and Mike would write a segment not necessarily about how, but about some of what you measure when you do your tests.  I'm not asking for any secret sauce here.  I'm sure that many of the things you and other audio companies measure as a matter of routine (and how they relate to performance in terms of both specs and sound quality) are completely at 90 degrees to the perpetual objectivist/subjectivist arguments.  So while the non-professionals have their arguments about relatively meaningless stuff, what are real audio engineers/designers measuring?


Excellent idea for a post! Next up...
 
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Jul 1, 2015 at 11:47 AM Post #6,869 of 149,701
Very tickled that you are in on Molecular Gastronomy Jason!

Schiit sure does look like a fun place to work - it's great to see so many folks who look like they love what they do!

Looking forward to the suggested post above - always been curious about that!
 
Jul 1, 2015 at 12:18 PM Post #6,870 of 149,701
If Hollywood ever decides to make a movie based on Schiit Happened, I want Michael Caine to play Mr. Moffat. They even look alike.
 

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