Schiit DACs (Bifrost and Gungnir down, one to go)? The information and anticipation thread.

Dec 10, 2011 at 7:29 PM Post #1,891 of 3,339

I am using a silver USB cable and glass fibre optic cable and prefer the USB out of my mac. I use PureMusic but with classic NOS sound and no upsampling. 
 
Jason suggests that USB should not sound as good as the other two but I prefer it. 
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Has anyone AB'ed the SPDIF vs. the USB from their computer to the bifrost?  I am questioning the realism of cymbals from my setup of PC -> spdif bifrost and am wondering if it's from jitter..  Unfortunately I do not have the USB option of my bifrost and am wondering if I should get the add on (or wait for the statement dac lol)



 
 
 
Dec 10, 2011 at 7:47 PM Post #1,892 of 3,339
spdif or USB - these have a lot to do with the quality of the electronics in our source. On my MacPro and MacBookPro, spdif out is limited to 24/96 and has fairly high jitter. It was my preferred port until switching to Audiophilleo and a AudioQuest Carbon USB cable. Then, the combined Audiophilleo implementation and cable exceeded spdif. I imagine that Schiit tests their spdif/optical implementation with transports with higher quality output than the typical computer spdif implementation. My sense is that's why they think their spdif implementation better.
 
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I am using a silver USB cable and glass fibre optic cable and prefer the USB out of my mac. I use PureMusic but with classic NOS sound and no upsampling. 
 
Jason suggests that USB should not sound as good as the other two but I prefer it. 


 
 



 
 
Dec 10, 2011 at 7:55 PM Post #1,893 of 3,339


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spdif or USB - these have a lot to do with the quality of the electronics in our source. On my MacPro and MacBookPro, spdif out is limited to 24/96 and has fairly high jitter. It was my preferred port until switching to Audiophilleo and a AudioQuest Carbon USB cable. Then, the combined Audiophilleo implementation and cable exceeded spdif. I imagine that Schiit tests their spdif/optical implementation with transports with higher quality output than the typical computer spdif implementation. My sense is that's why they think their spdif implementation better.



 
 
Dec 10, 2011 at 9:35 PM Post #1,898 of 3,339
most people won't detect a difference between spdif and USB.  I know I don't if they are both implemented properly, but then people will start blaming my USB cable for not costing more than the USB interface car itself so I don't bother arguing it.  A poor USB implementation can be downright ugly though.
 
I went back to sound cards, and have my juli@ hooked up to my Bifrost, if I got a USB interface again I would probably just get a Audiophileo.  Or pay $100 for the bifrost add on card.
 
 
 
Dec 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM Post #1,901 of 3,339
Well, I had to decide in between a Burson HA-160 combo and Bifrost, or the all-in Burson HD-160D for around the same price. I went for the combo...hopefully that wasn't a big mistake.
 
Alright...made a decision. Going with the HA-160D for now, and am strongly going to be considering the higher end Schiit DAC when it comes out. I'm very anxious to see how it turns out.
 
Dec 11, 2011 at 1:11 PM Post #1,902 of 3,339


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Well, I had to decide in between a Burson HA-160 combo and Bifrost, or the all-in Burson HD-160D for around the same price. I went for the combo...hopefully that wasn't a big mistake.
 
Alright...made a decision. Going with the HA-160D for now, and am strongly going to be considering the higher end Schiit DAC when it comes out. I'm very anxious to see how it turns out.



Why not the Burson HA-160DS? Forget the pre-amp....
 
Dec 11, 2011 at 1:59 PM Post #1,903 of 3,339


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I've been trying to do a search on what jitter sounds like and it seems there is no consensus other than the sound is not as transparent, which isn't really much to say lol.  



You didn't go back far enough.  A number of AES (Audio Engineering Society) papers on this were published when it first became a "hot issue" around the time CDs came out as a playback medium.  There are two primary audio effects: (1) A higher "noise floor," which is the same as reduced dynamic range; and (2) intermodulation distortion.
 
Dec 11, 2011 at 3:11 PM Post #1,904 of 3,339
thinking about hitting the cancel button on my lyr/bifrost order tomorrow if I don't see an update.  2 weeks on "backorder" status with my headphones sitting here in an un-opened box is frustrating!  I could have bought used way long ago and had these things broken in already...
 
 
 
Dec 11, 2011 at 3:21 PM Post #1,905 of 3,339


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thinking about hitting the cancel button on my lyr/bifrost order tomorrow if I don't see an update.  2 weeks on "backorder" status with my headphones sitting here in an un-opened box is frustrating!  I could have bought used way long ago and had these things broken in already...
 
 



Why don't you give them a call/email and see if you can get an ETA?  Seems like it would be worth the wait....
 

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