[Bob Mahoy]

I know I havn't been on this forum in a long time, but I noticed how many of you are jumping to buy the new ipods and I thought that you might want to read this first:

http://homepage.mac.com/marc.heijlig...surements.html

*NOTE* Read the page above with a grain of salt, the information has been contested with more reliable equipment by our forum members. Also, there is no physical proof that Cirrus has replaced Wolfson, although the evidence seems to be mounting in economic reports.

Be sure to have a look at the graphs in the lower half of the post.

Here's the conclusion: "From these measurements it is obvious that the Cirrus audio IC is worse that the Wolfson IC:
- Treble has an uplift of 0.1dB.
- The Codec has a non-linear group delay.
- The phase faults are caused by non-linear effects.

The audible impact is significant, and a firmware correction (most Codecs contain programmable parts) is definitely required to bring back the iPod sound quality to normal levels."

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More worrying are the graphs below:

http://www.dapreview.net/i/newspost_...lassicboot.jpg
http://www.dapreview.net/i/newspost_...classicnav.jpg

Both links are from DAPreview.net; they found that the increase in battery life is actually proportional to the additional boot/loading times. In other words, the new ipod has actually been crippled.

and not improved. Video capability has, as you know, also been crippled through the HO.

You'll all thank me someday.

 

[Bob Mahoy]

Please note that I don't hate ipods, I'm just trying to protect everyone from buying into the launch hype.

Hmm...is my post not showing up?

 

[jonnywolfet]

way to put a spanner in the works, i will have to wait a while to see what happens with this. or even better, try and get a listen to the classic myself.

 

[OvidiuDanut]

If this is true, than i'll go Cowon for sure...

 

[ingwe]

With my iPod Classic 160GB I can discern no hiss. However, I can perceive the other audible symptoms described (especially compared with my Zune).

 

[bestnaru]

Thanks for the reminder
but I'll wait until they show up in bix box store like bestbuy and if the sound is not satisfying , I can always return it easily

and yup , launch hype is always dangerous. Seldom do ppl crticize new products and after a month or two, problems show up

 

[BassheadJazz]

Two things: One, is it possible that these are just isolated issues? And also, can't the issues at hand be improved with software updates? If so, then there really isn't much of a problem. I think that with as many reviews as there've been with ipods going up over the past few days that if there were any serious performance flaws along those lines they would've been brought up by now.

 

[jonnywolfet]

well, if this does get fixed, i will certainly jump on a 160gb+yotank. you just cant argue with the capacity!

 

[ingwe]

Quote:

Originally Posted by BassheadJazz /img/forum/go_quote.gif <snip> ... can't the issues at hand be improved with software updates? If so, then there really isn't much of a problem. <snip>

Very true, provided Apple actually makes it happen.

 

[Jon118]

I doubt Apple will address SQ issues. That usually isn't what their updates entail. Wait for RockBox, that would take care of most of this.

 

[rxc]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon118 /img/forum/go_quote.gif I doubt Apple will address SQ issues. That usually isn't what their updates entail. Wait for RockBox, that would take care of most of this.

The new iPods will probably not be RockBox'ed.

 

[kipman725]

I don't rearly have much to add but the 0.1DB treble boost is rearly nothing and will not be noticable. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel read

do people rearly buy ipod's on sound quality? the included headphones should be indication of how much apple cared about the sound quality.

 

[jonnywolfet]

you could equally argue that the implementation of the ipod classic's circuitry is an indication that apple have taken steps towards better sq...

 

[ingwe]

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnywolfet /img/forum/go_quote.gif you could equally argue that the implementation of the ipod classic's circuitry is an indication that apple have taken steps towards better sq...

Or...its cheaper to move the analogue stage into the dac chip.

 

[viper32]

Well bad measurements or not, my classic with UE-5c's and the headphone out sounds superb to me. I personally think that out of the 5 other ipods I own it sounds the best by far from the headphone out. Now remember I have only tried this with my UE-5's. I am not saying there is not a problem in the classic. While I can hear the more pronounced trebble, to me and my ears it helps alot with opening up the sound. I would say that anyone who is concerned about this should go and have a listen for yourself before we all start condeming the classic. One other thing I noticed was the bass is much tighter and more full if you will, then on my 5g or 5.5g. I had to check to see if the bass boost was on at first and it was not. This is not meant to be a review of the classic, but my own personal feelings so far.