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SL1200 with its platter insert and stock mat is ring-a-long-day compared to 5120 - if someone describes SL1200 as being overdamped, this is many times so. Content of rubber in SL1200 platter/mat is many times less than in 5120. Rubber "mat"of 5120 is heavier than stamped metal platter - or there about.
Resomat is something I am definitely not fond of - but can understand why it could be beneficial with SL1200. It isolates the record from the platter as much as possible, relying on few literally point contacts to support the record. Much the same way as originally done by Transcriptors. SL1200 is a highly resonant structure overall and it may indeed be better to decouple record and any energy coming from the tracking stylus from the platter>bearing>base - at the price of record itself being allowed to resonate and not allowing the stylus to read true information engraved in the grooves. I know there will be strong oposition to such a statement from some - but here only a direct comparison to master tape or well made CD or SACD of the same music can give any real answer. All real good turntables did get this kind of right - one way or another, none did use next to zero support. One that did was Meitner turntable - but I never saw one in flesh, let alone heard it. NAD is one of the few that does this well in the lower price bracket.
DL103 is a low compliance cart - in any version, specially R. Point record support is better suited to high compliance carts - so Resomat is ??? in this case.
I do not want to sound patronizing, but please do read the review of Versa Dynamics turntable in Stereophile http://www.stereophile.com/content/versa-dynamics-20-lp-player-page-4 - once heard, or better yet, spent a weekend listening to this table, gives one pretty good idea what support record needs in order for the "record player" to (nearly) dissapear. It is unbelievable how much more low level signals a truly well coupled record to the platter can bring - it does no longer mean any significant ( other than VTA ) difference betwen regular and 180 + gram records - every record becomes a say 10000 gram record, the mass of the platter plus record itself. Funny thing - you might not like it - as it does sound unlike resonant decks, not being "alive" - but compare it to master tape , CD or SACD, and you will know which is closer to the original.
Now, I definitely do not want to suggest that NAD is (nearly) equivalent of the Versa - look at the technologies involved, look at the price if you must - they can not be in the same league. But it is much closer to that overall spirit than many much more costly decks.
Ha, thanks for posting that, looks interesting but I hereby withdraw my request for a current display of FLEX! I agree it does look cool though.
As my SL1200 also has a rubber "mat/platter" combination, which some have described as overdamped, is this what you mean by acoustically dead? I am having excellent results with the res-o-mat, which seems to turn this attribute into a strength.
The Denon won over the Grado btw, and I have lost interest in the 10x5. Wasn't even close. Now running a stock 103, will get my 103R re-tipped by Soundsmith with a ruby cantilever and a nude contact line diamond, which seems to be the tip profile that meets the most of my needs.
The Grado will go up against an Ortofon 2M Red on my DP300F when I get around to it, that will be the elliptical table.
SL1200 with its platter insert and stock mat is ring-a-long-day compared to 5120 - if someone describes SL1200 as being overdamped, this is many times so. Content of rubber in SL1200 platter/mat is many times less than in 5120. Rubber "mat"of 5120 is heavier than stamped metal platter - or there about.
Resomat is something I am definitely not fond of - but can understand why it could be beneficial with SL1200. It isolates the record from the platter as much as possible, relying on few literally point contacts to support the record. Much the same way as originally done by Transcriptors. SL1200 is a highly resonant structure overall and it may indeed be better to decouple record and any energy coming from the tracking stylus from the platter>bearing>base - at the price of record itself being allowed to resonate and not allowing the stylus to read true information engraved in the grooves. I know there will be strong oposition to such a statement from some - but here only a direct comparison to master tape or well made CD or SACD of the same music can give any real answer. All real good turntables did get this kind of right - one way or another, none did use next to zero support. One that did was Meitner turntable - but I never saw one in flesh, let alone heard it. NAD is one of the few that does this well in the lower price bracket.
DL103 is a low compliance cart - in any version, specially R. Point record support is better suited to high compliance carts - so Resomat is ??? in this case.
I do not want to sound patronizing, but please do read the review of Versa Dynamics turntable in Stereophile http://www.stereophile.com/content/versa-dynamics-20-lp-player-page-4 - once heard, or better yet, spent a weekend listening to this table, gives one pretty good idea what support record needs in order for the "record player" to (nearly) dissapear. It is unbelievable how much more low level signals a truly well coupled record to the platter can bring - it does no longer mean any significant ( other than VTA ) difference betwen regular and 180 + gram records - every record becomes a say 10000 gram record, the mass of the platter plus record itself. Funny thing - you might not like it - as it does sound unlike resonant decks, not being "alive" - but compare it to master tape , CD or SACD, and you will know which is closer to the original.
Now, I definitely do not want to suggest that NAD is (nearly) equivalent of the Versa - look at the technologies involved, look at the price if you must - they can not be in the same league. But it is much closer to that overall spirit than many much more costly decks.