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Jul 20, 2020 at 12:25 AM Post #61 of 218
Thought I'd share my experiences with DC cables with an LPS on the Qutest.

First though I'll say I agree the above that upstream improvements matter. But let me qualify that by pointing out that the DC cable + LPS or PSU is also part of the upstream gear (if that's the direction referred to as upstream). On the same side of the coin, I'd say say that the quality of BNC or other digital input cable into the DAC makes a difference, as well as the electrical purity in the source component feeding it. I would further speculate that a good enough LPS with an DC cable of decent gauge & insulation has the potential to absorb some of any potential impurities from the digital cable coming into the DAC.

For downstream gear such as RCA cables, amp and headphones - these make an absolute difference because DAC improvements only make a difference if the equipment its' being sent to is up to par. But that's as far as I can agree. Because with a new custom LPS I've got from a confidential source along with a very robust DC cable that I will mention below, I am hearing profound improvements to the sound that are unmistakable and repeatable when A/B'ing both DC cables and the stock wall-wart of the Qutest vs. the custom LPS I'm using. My current downstream gear can be considered mid-fi, not the best but certainly revealing enough to show huuuge differences with clean power to the Qutest using a good DC cable and LPS.

My journey of aftermarket cables with an LPS for the Qutest went like this: Initially I used the provided stock DC cable from the now-closed Ciunas Audio. This yielded a much more smooth, intimate & organic sound with better detail / texture, paired with the LPS I formerly had from them. Next I tried a blue Gotham cable from Ghent Audio. IIRC the resolution & intimacy improved, as well as bass definition, but at the same time the treble became somewhat exasperated causing fatigue. Next up was a 4S6G cable also from Ghent Audio with JSSG360 shielding, which I regard very highly. The bass really came into its' own in a very good, impactful and controlled way, soundstage seems larger, everything is more puristic and all traces of digital glare / harshness in the highs have disappeared. Several A/B comparisons of it to the much thinner stock cable from Ciunas has shown a distinctive and repeatable difference, and especially when comparing the Qutest stock PSU to my custom LPS with custom 4S6G aftermarket cable - the difference was significant enough to make me question whether I'm still listening to the same song - the difference was THAT huge! Hard hitting bass with great definition, smooth silky mids, clean highs, etc., making the Qutest with stock PSU sound low-fi and clinical by comparison.

Of course the quality of said LPS makes all the difference here, the function of the DC cable being just to transfer the purity of its' power as faithfully as possible to your DAC (or 'color' it depending on the materials). Actually both the Gotham and custom 4S6G cables both sounded similar to each other, the former being just a little brighter. I also seemed to notice a somewhat bright leaning sound initially with the custom 4S6G cable, but interestingly with just around 6 hours on it that seems to have subsided, leaving me with what it seems as a more neutral sound, even when comparing the FR to the stock Ciunas cable. I owe @HumanMedia thanks for the formula for this thick black DC cable. Did you also experience the treble relaxing after burn-in, or was that just my imagination? Also I actually don't share your sentiment about any bass roll-off with mine, maybe that depends on the specific LPS pairing.

For those left scratching their head, I'll illustrate it.

The Gotham cable has quad solid copper OFC wires with JSSG360 shielding - which I was told is similar to creating a Faraday cage around the cable to keep out EFI/RMI. Mine looked like this one:
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(generic photo)

Ghent Audio recommended the above as well as this as the better type of DC cables.
Neotech UPOCC 7N Copper 18AWG DC cable. This also has JSSG360 shielding, however HumanMedia reported that it's inductance is too high with its' thicker metals instead of star quad which means separated into four wires; resulting in a slow & dull sound.
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(generic photo)

The one I was recommended from HumanMedia was the 4S6G cable which is this one, but also with JSSG360 shielding, which I requested on order by email and also specified 2.5mm barrel DC connector on one side and micro USB on the other side. This is also an OFC star quad cable using the best / thickest gauge possible for the micro USB connection type without getting into the territory of excessive inductance. The result looks similar to the exterior of the above cable as you can see below.
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(my 0.5 meter Canare 4S6G OFC cable with the JSSG360 shielding and a micro USB connection on one side with 2.5mm DC connection on the other side. In the middle is the supplied stock cable that came with an LPS from the now-closed Ciunas Audio which is acceptable quality of unknown material, and on the left is the stock Qutest DC cable for reference)

Just to avoid confusion, the Gotham cable was found by several to be too bright, the specified Neotech cable was found too dark / dull by another user, and to me the recommended variant of 4S6G cable shown above (right) was the best so far by a good margin. And RE my current LPS, I have to keep the source on it confidential for now.

Also HumanMedia would you mind to mention your source for a Canadian sourced silver DC cable that other users swear by? I'm just curious on the price & appearance at least.
 
Jul 26, 2020 at 10:52 PM Post #63 of 218
Also HumanMedia would you mind to mention your source for a Canadian sourced silver DC cable that other users swear by? I'm just curious on the price & appearance at least.

Yes the darling DC cable over at the Audiophile Style epic thread "A Novel way to improve the SQ of Computer..." is the Audio Sensibility Signature Silver cable from Audio Sensibility in Canada. It was the cable that many who used Ghent cables moved on and up to, and still recommend. And a few in that thread are using these with Chord components.

However I have not tried Audio Sensibility so I cannot recommend personally and its an all silver construction for those that care. I have never had good experiences with anything silver, but many many people say that with OFC and single crystal silver there are no downsides and its all good. Im still wary especially as the cost in the hundreds of dollars and a small number in that thread who have moved from the Audio Sensibility cable to a DIY Mundorf Silver-Gold and prefer it over the Audio Sensibility.

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...c-server/page/2/?tab=comments#comment-1021544

https://audiophilestyle.com/forums/...eaming/page/665/?tab=comments#comment-1059262


From the anecdotal reports of the sound of the DIY Mundorf Silver-Gold, it sounds to be like it might be more aligned to my personal taste, plus the DIY Mundorf Silver-Gold will be a fraction of the cost to make. I just need to get my head around doing the JSSG360 treatment myself which I haven't done before. Its not brain surgery but it is a little trickier than just making a non shielded cable.

The other DIY option I am seriously considering is one based on the VHAudio V-Quad Cu21 with Oyaide terminations (and JSSG360m shielding). I think DecentLevi mentioned these in an earlier post. (or maybe it was to use them as interconnects? for either usage they appear to be very, very good)

In fact I could do one each of the DIY versions and still have change compared to the cost of the Audio Sensibility Cable, so I will likely go that way first. In the meantime Im doing a few DIY experiments on ferrited coax cables to connect my Chord MScaler to the Chord Qutest.
 
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Jul 28, 2020 at 7:28 PM Post #64 of 218
In the meantime I have ordered another DC cable for my M Scaler. A Ghent 4S8 with JSSG360 shielding. I really want to try the oxygen free version of the 4S8 (the 4S8G) as the 4S6G is better than the 4S6. But Ghent doesn’t stock the 4S8G even with two guaranteed orders from me if he would. He keeps whining about having to order a minimum of 100m from Japan in order to offer it. Maybe if others asked after it as well he would do it, or maybe he just wants to up-sell people to the non-star-quad Neotech cable$$.

Two years ago I would have never have imagined that DC cables on digital components up the replay chain would make any difference to the end sound. Frustrating and bewildering that they do, even on my ultraRendu streamer!?, but rewarding when you get the incremental improvements from improving them.
 
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Jul 30, 2020 at 2:33 PM Post #65 of 218
Got the Shanti and using it for a couple of weeks now. Def. an improvment in sq in my set up. Details, depth in soundstage and bass sounds better than the stock psu. The diference between the four filter options on the Qutest are now easy to recognize (with good recordings).
So far so good, but dc cables are flimsy and you need an adapter (includeded) to connect it to the Qutest. Using the 3 amp line. When first time connecting the Shanti with stock powercord to mains i got a hum from the Shanti. Changing it with a shielded aftermarket solved the problem.
As the stock Qutest is 2 amp and the Shanti is either 1 amp or 3 amp out, what is the best to use. (Tried both and can not hear any sonycally diference.
Read about the powerdown-issue, so i disconnect by dc cable.
 
Jul 31, 2020 at 2:00 AM Post #69 of 218
Got the Shanti and using it for a couple of weeks now. Def. an improvment in sq in my set up. Details, depth in soundstage and bass sounds better than the stock psu. The diference between the four filter options on the Qutest are now easy to recognize (with good recordings).
So far so good, but dc cables are flimsy and you need an adapter (includeded) to connect it to the Qutest. Using the 3 amp line. When first time connecting the Shanti with stock powercord to mains i got a hum from the Shanti. Changing it with a shielded aftermarket solved the problem.
As the stock Qutest is 2 amp and the Shanti is either 1 amp or 3 amp out, what is the best to use. (Tried both and can not hear any sonycally diference.
Read about the powerdown-issue, so i disconnect by dc cable.
So,another happy Shanti user with Qutest!

You should use the 3A output.
 
Jul 31, 2020 at 4:16 AM Post #70 of 218
Got the Shanti and using it for a couple of weeks now. Def. an improvment in sq in my set up. Details, depth in soundstage and bass sounds better than the stock psu. The diference between the four filter options on the Qutest are now easy to recognize (with good recordings).
So far so good, but dc cables are flimsy and you need an adapter (includeded) to connect it to the Qutest. Using the 3 amp line. When first time connecting the Shanti with stock powercord to mains i got a hum from the Shanti. Changing it with a shielded aftermarket solved the problem.
As the stock Qutest is 2 amp and the Shanti is either 1 amp or 3 amp out, what is the best to use. (Tried both and can not hear any sonycally diference.
Read about the powerdown-issue, so i disconnect by dc cable.
The 1A is perfectly good for the Qutest. The manual says it requires a minimum of 1A and the Shanti output is rated at 1.2A. I have been using it that way for some while now as the 3A is powering my Pi4. Rob Watts has confirmed that the gradual power down is not harmful to the Qutest.
 
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Aug 1, 2020 at 8:26 PM Post #72 of 218
Anyone using a Farad3 on their Qutest?
The Farad3 was the best when I tried it on my 2Qute, bettering the SR4 and the UpTone JS-2.
Since I don’t have a 5V Farad3 I use the JS-2 on the Qutest but I keep wondering what a Farad3 would sound like.
Curiously different power supplies made a bigger difference on the 2Qute than on the Qutest.
 
Aug 5, 2020 at 4:40 AM Post #73 of 218
Voted stock ...
tried a battery pack and couldn’t detect any real difference,
more noticeable was upgrading the USB and BNC cables To the MScaler ...
although the stock PSU’s for Qutest and MScaler are plugged into seperate isolated filter boards fed from a mains conditioner ...
 
Aug 5, 2020 at 5:17 AM Post #74 of 218
Anyone using a Farad3 on their Qutest?
The Farad3 was the best when I tried it on my 2Qute, bettering the SR4 and the UpTone JS-2.
Since I don’t have a 5V Farad3 I use the JS-2 on the Qutest but I keep wondering what a Farad3 would sound like.
Curiously different power supplies made a bigger difference on the 2Qute than on the Qutest.

I have a Farad3 15V that I tried with the Mscaler but now that I use a Sean Jacobs power supply with the Mscaler I am considering converting the Farad3 to 5V.

Farad will sell a 5v super cap board and transformer for 100 euros plus tax but the soldering needs to be precise and accurate so do not embark on this unless you are experienced and proficient in detailed soldering . . . .

Hopefully I will report back on my thoughts but it will take a little while to get the arts then do the conversion.
 
Aug 5, 2020 at 7:08 PM Post #75 of 218
Voted stock ...
tried a battery pack and couldn’t detect any real difference,
more noticeable was upgrading the USB and BNC cables To the MScaler ...
although the stock PSU’s for Qutest and MScaler are plugged into seperate isolated filter boards fed from a mains conditioner ...
Well, different strokes for different folks, as they say. The amp + speakers or headphones connected to the Qutest have a huge impact on being able to hear the difference. And I would speculate that a USB input into the Qutest has strong potential to inject RF noise, possibly negating the clean power effect of any DC LPS or battery power - not to mention its' USB input is not up to par with superior sound that can be had with other connections such as Toslink optical and BNC coax cables. Also I would think that a good DC LPS with a thick & shielded DC cable into the Qutest has better ability to absorb dirty energy than a small battery pack is able to do. Furthermore if you're expecting an improvement from a main conditioner when using an AC/DC PSU, you're doing it wrong. Mains conditioners filter AC power, but this advantage is negated after converting back to DC and sent over a very thin gauge cable - something I have also tested multiple times to sound the same with my top conditioning unit as direct to main power and same as without any PSU. Even more is that if you're using a battery pack akin to a mobile power-bank you're getting less than optimally clean power since these all use voltage regulators which are detrimental to the sound.

Not hearing a difference with an alternative LPS with the Qutest IMO can be attributed to the resolving ability of ones' gear connected to its' output, hearing ability, or from feeding the Qutest dirty electricity via other components.
 
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