leeperry
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Hey guys, so many threads end up closed due to Team ThreadCrap whose members always feel like showing biased measurements and explaining to the world that their $90 amp sounds exactly the same as any $3K amp, meaning that anything costing more than $90 is audiophool snake oil yada yada...they also honestly seem to believe that their duty is to save the humanity from being robbed.
So I thought it was time to finally put an end to all this, and I've got clues this time
A design engineer who's a discrete believer recently told me:
Couldn't have said it better, yes 5532 is the RMAA pimp daddy yet it does sound like ####.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/88894-discrete-components-better-than-opamps.html
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4432704-post5.html
and I see that the latest Sabre DAC chips carry built-in opamps now, so every manufacturer will throw killer THD+N measurements at 'cha as if they meant anything useful at all.
If Audio-GD decided to call all their latest DAC's "No Feedback", there's a good reason to it
So feedback is evil, and opamps measurements don't mean jack. Thanks for passing by.
So I thought it was time to finally put an end to all this, and I've got clues this time
A design engineer who's a discrete believer recently told me:
Measured data is valuable, but by no means the most important thing in building high end audio gear. It is very, very easy to build a unit from a handful of chips (opamps) that performs very well on the meter, but sounds awful. Feedback circuits were invented because of their ability to correct for everything – by this it is easy to achieve 0.0005% THD figures. Music is not pure sine waves, not even a sum of two (intermodulation).
Couldn't have said it better, yes 5532 is the RMAA pimp daddy yet it does sound like ####.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/88894-discrete-components-better-than-opamps.html
There are certain type of components that have no IC equivalent. Transformers, for example. It is hard to duplicate or exceed transformer performance with op-amps
to me a well-designed discrete circuit sounds better, and i've rolled a lot of op amps. they all sound different from each other, so i couldn't imagine how they don't degrade the sound. to me the difference between various op amps even within the same manufacterer is like night and day. people with half-decent ears (like myself) should do a blind test comparing a cascade of op amps to straight wire. that will effectively demonstrate that op amps suck.
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/4432704-post5.html
there were many scientific researches that proved that all variations of IMD, THD, THD+N tests, and all other specific tests can't be used to say how well the sound is reproduced in terms of subconscious human perceptions. And there still are some stubborn engineers and scientists who won't see any evidences.
and I see that the latest Sabre DAC chips carry built-in opamps now, so every manufacturer will throw killer THD+N measurements at 'cha as if they meant anything useful at all.
If Audio-GD decided to call all their latest DAC's "No Feedback", there's a good reason to it
So feedback is evil, and opamps measurements don't mean jack. Thanks for passing by.