ONKYO DP-X1 | Dual Sabre Dacs | Balanced | Sabre BTL Amp | MQA | DSD 256 | Android 5 |

[morri]

I received my second unit. As first one was stolen. Few weeks ago
Both bought from same vendor in Japan
1st unit had no issues with the balanced socket though it had a wider gap
2nd unit had no gap but socket isn't stable
2nd unit both sockets are not clean or match the top plate height , looks as if been made by cheap vendor
1st unit had issues with Bluetooth and wasn't useable by any means even after updates
2nd unit had perfect Bluetooth with no issues at all. So it must been a 1st unit defect
1st unit had better SQ
2nd unit has some how FLAT SQ
When comparing the Onkyo to AK 320 , SQ for the AK more accurate
I believe the Onkyo manufacturing process isn't identical with all units
Cheers

 

[goldsmith83]

There are two matters about which I've found nothing on this thread about the DP-X1 and the XDP-100r.
For what I've read on the web, it seems that the DSD playback on the DP-X1/XDP-100r is not native through the analogue output but only through the digital one, i.e. the DACs of both devices convert DSD to PCM while playing, am I well informed?
The other matter is about the SDXC cards, is it true that DP-X1/XDP-100r admit just up to 200GB cards and is it possible that both daps will admit larger storage cards (256GB, 512GB) in the future?.
Sorry if these questions have been discussed earlier on this thread, but it's not easy to find a specific subject in over 500 pages of posts.

 

[x RELIC x]

There are two matters about which I've found nothing on this thread about the DP-X1 and the XDP-100r.
For what I've read on the web, it seems that the DSD playback on the DP-X1/XDP-100r is not native through the analogue output but only through the digital one, i.e. the DACs of both devices convert DSD to PCM while playing, am I well informed?
The other matter is about the SDXC cards, is it true that DP-X1/XDP-100r admit just up to 200GB cards and is it possible that both daps will admit larger storage cards (256GB, 512GB) in the future?.
Sorry if these questions have been discussed earlier on this thread, but it's not easy to find a specific subject in over 500 pages of posts.

1) Nothing through the analogue output is native digital. It's analogue. The same for all devices on the planet. Once the DAC (Digital to Analogue Converter) converts it to analogue it's simply a continuous waveform for the amplifier. To stay digital you need a digital chain. PCM (Pulse Code Modulation) is another form of digital output, so no, the analogue output isn't PCM either. If asking if it converts DSD natively with the ESS9018k2m DAC then it should as they are fully capable to do so. Then again I have no idea how they implemented it.

2) Nobody knows because 200gb is the current limit, but theoretically it should work with higher capacity cards.

 

[Torq]

  There are two matters about which I've found nothing on this thread about the DP-X1 and the XDP-100r.
For what I've read on the web, it seems that the DSD playback on the DP-X1/XDP-100r is not native through the analogue output but only through the digital one, i.e. the DACs of both devices convert DSD to PCM while playing, am I well informed?
The other matter is about the SDXC cards, is it true that DP-X1/XDP-100r admit just up to 200GB cards and is it possible that both daps will admit larger storage cards (256GB, 512GB) in the future?.
Sorry if these questions have been discussed earlier on this thread, but it's not easy to find a specific subject in over 500 pages of posts.

 
Don't know how the internals of the ESS DAC handles DSD.
 
I would think you're fairly safe assuming that, if and when larger microSD cards show up they'll be supported by either player.  The structure of the storage is such that you'd have to go out of your way to support the 200 GB cards (which do work fine) and not the larger ones.  As in, they'd have to explicitly disable such support.
 
But as @x RELIC x says, no one makes a card larger than 200 GB yet, so it's not possible to test.

 

[sq3rjick]

  There are two matters about which I've found nothing on this thread about the DP-X1 and the XDP-100r.
For what I've read on the web, it seems that the DSD playback on the DP-X1/XDP-100r is not native through the analogue output but only through the digital one, i.e. the DACs of both devices convert DSD to PCM while playing, am I well informed?
The other matter is about the SDXC cards, is it true that DP-X1/XDP-100r admit just up to 200GB cards and is it possible that both daps will admit larger storage cards (256GB, 512GB) in the future?.
Sorry if these questions have been discussed earlier on this thread, but it's not easy to find a specific subject in over 500 pages of posts.

I believe that the DSD is converted in software to PCM @ 192kHz before it is sent to the DAC.  I do not believe the DP-X1 has hardware-native DSD support.

 

[bflat]

  It might be better to link this and this to explain Android implementation of upsampling and USB out

Anyone else have the following issue - I use ALAC files and all my 44.1 and 88.2 sampled tracks display as 48 and 96 playback on the Onkyo player app. When I connect via OTG to my CDM's internal DAC, the file and playback rates are the same. This has been this way since I first got the X1 in Jan. Not really a problem, but just want to know why the up sampling.

 

[Subhakar]

Just got my balanced cable, what is a good setting for IEMs in general?

After dinner.

 

[ArrancarV]

Hey guys, just recently encountered an issue (strange?) which has not happened since i got my stock DP-X1 since 3 months ago. I have not installed any additional apps except for updating the system and stock player music updates.

Two nights ago i charged my unit to full 100% and unplugged the charging cable at 11pm. Put it to standby mode (black screen). However, in the morning at 6am, it showed 77% left. Usually it would show 92 ~ 94%.

So last night i fully charged my unit again. At 10pm (100%), the battery indicator showed 74% this morning at 6am. Now i'm getting worried about this

Anyone else encountered something like this?

 

[golfpro]

 
Anyone else have the following issue - I use ALAC files and all my 44.1 and 88.2 sampled tracks display as 48 and 96 playback on the Onkyo player app. When I connect via OTG to my CDM's internal DAC, the file and playback rates are the same. This has been this way since I first got the X1 in Jan. Not really a problem, but just want to know why the up sampling.

​If you are using the onkyo player ap, there are settings that control the playback rates, and how high they can go. 

 

[Subhakar]

Anyone tried Mojo-Kai, the balanced mod of Mojo? DP-X1 balanced out is great but this one seems to taking Mojo to another level:

"The above aside, Ryuzoh’s mod completely ****s all over both Onkyo’s DP-X1 and AK380 under load at each unit’s maximum stable volume. The results are ugly. The DP-X1 outputs 328x more THD and 128x more IMD at maximum stable volumes under the same load; at 4191x the THD and 3441x the IMD, and especially at its asking price and against its ultimate marketing, the AK380 deserves to be thrown from the tallest building, drowned it a year’s worth of rock-concert sludge, and then blue angeled to a fine powder before being sniffed by next-year’s juvenile delinquents."

http://ohm-image.net/data/audio/rmaa-mst-audio-mojo-kai-balanced-24-bit

 

[8BitKid]

I just received and am loving my DP-X1 in the Dignis case. I'm currently trying to figure out how to best load my entire music collection onto it, since I have 2x 200GB SanDisk MicroSD cards. My music is both on an external drive connected to my Mac as well as on a QNAP NAS.
 
Does anyone know of a solution that would automatically copy a folder to span two drives? I could either have them plugged-in simultaneously or swap them. It looks like Onkyo's own X-DAP software could do this, but it is PC only. Ideally, I just want a simple way to have either my external HD or NAS be the definitive library, and then copy it to be in sync on the two MicroSD cards. I've been looking for solutions, but haven't found anything simple.
 
It is a shame that there isn't a way for the DP-X1 to treat two cards as a RAID/JBOD setup with a single drive assignment to help with situations like this...

 

[zmcqdv]

I remembered someone here managed to use 512gb SD card before with Microsd to SD card converter.

Don't know how the internals of the ESS DAC handles DSD.

I would think you're fairly safe assuming that, if and when larger microSD cards show up they'll be supported by either player.  The structure of the storage is such that you'd have to go out of your way to support the 200 GB cards (which do work fine) and not the larger ones.  As in, they'd have to explicitly disable such support.

But as @x RELIC x
 says, no one makes a card larger than 200 GB yet, so it's not possible to test.

 

[x RELIC x]

Oops! Misread the comment... Carry on....

 

[Sonic Defender]

Anyone tried Mojo-Kai, the balanced mod of Mojo? DP-X1 balanced out is great but this one seems to taking Mojo to another level:

"The above aside, Ryuzoh’s mod completely ****s all over both Onkyo’s DP-X1 and AK380 under load at each unit’s maximum stable volume. The results are ugly. The DP-X1 outputs 328x more THD and 128x more IMD at maximum stable volumes under the same load; at 4191x the THD and 3441x the IMD, and especially at its asking price and against its ultimate marketing, the AK380 deserves to be thrown from the tallest building, drowned it a year’s worth of rock-concert sludge, and then blue angeled to a fine powder before being sniffed by next-year’s juvenile delinquents."

http://ohm-image.net/data/audio/rmaa-mst-audio-mojo-kai-balanced-24-bit

Still, does that mean those are audible effects? I don't know one way or the other so I'm asking, but if they are measureable as opposed to audible in real world listening situations, who cares? Again I don't know, but I think we all obsess over measureable sometimes even when there is no chance in hell we will hear what is being measured. Nobody is going to hear jitter at the level even a modest DAC implementation is capable of these days yet we see benchmark figures for jitter not even within the realm of possibility of hearing ever by any human being under any circumstances. While it is great to report on such technical measures that still doesn't mean they have any practical significance.

 

[x RELIC x]

Still, does that mean those are audible effects? I don't know one way or the other so I'm asking, but if they are measureable as opposed to audible in real world listening situations, who cares? Again I don't know, but I think we all obsess over measureable sometimes even when there is no chance in hell we will hear what is being measured. Nobody is going to hear jitter at the level even a modest DAC implementation is capable of these days yet we see benchmark figures for jitter not even within the realm of possibility of hearing ever by any human being under any circumstances. While it is great to report on such technical measures that still doesn't mean they have any practical significance.

Nathan says in the article the balanced sounds brighter. Rob Watt's says that's usually an artefact of noise causing distortion. Who's to say that one is better, but Nathan likes it for his tastes, and it's more convenient than adding a pigtail cable to the mix to feed a balanced headphone from a SE source. Still, it isn't a true balanced output as Chord has not created a balanced topology in the Mojo. Also, this doesn't really belong in the DP-X1 thread.