ONIX Alpha XI1 - Smallest & Most Affordable ONIX DAC - High-Power Portable USB DAC/AMP

Jul 24, 2024 at 6:07 PM Post #751 of 1,675
Just to add.

I am really looking hard at this.
Trying to find a US distributor that will actually carry it, or just bite the bullet and buy from a Chinese retailer.
Hearing your issues makes me want to pause and rethink. Sure its ~$128.00 USD w case, but there's the DITA Navigator (I have the Project M) or look at something else?
I mean the reviews are all positive... including the Tone Deaf Monk... which makes me want your situation to be a fluke.
The price? Its roughly a dinner & drinks w the missus so I can just eat some cheap Ramen instead... :thinking:🤦‍♂️
How many people.in here have serious issues like this? If it's just one guy then it's a fluke indeed.
 
Jul 24, 2024 at 6:36 PM Post #752 of 1,675
Guys is it working with HIBY R4 (without additional power, like in last pic)?
 
Jul 24, 2024 at 6:43 PM Post #754 of 1,675
Thanks
 
Jul 24, 2024 at 7:21 PM Post #755 of 1,675
How many people.in here have serious issues like this? If it's just one guy then it's a fluke indeed.
Yeah, that's a fair question.
We don't know the number of units shipped. The other issue is that we don't know how many people had similar issues but didn't complain here or anywhere else... just returned it.

The reason it gave me pause is that I don't have a 'local' supplier, so that if there is a problem, its an extra set of steps to jump thru to get it resolved.
Granted its not like I'm buying a set of computer servers for my home lab...

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There are a couple of US distributors that are listed on the Onix site. Looking at one... their site doesn't list Onix as something they carry.
On the two that I did speak with... one said there's a 30 unit minimum, but if I'd be willing to pay more... they'd get one in on their next order.
The other one responded that they didn't plan to carry it. Now there's nothing wrong with that. The product is new and dealers have to consider what they want to carry or not.

The ONIX Alpha is relatively new to the Western Market and its in a crowded field.
I guess over time they may pick it up... or you just buy direct from Shanling's store or one of their other distributors.
 
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Jul 25, 2024 at 12:43 AM Post #756 of 1,675
Yeah, that's a fair question.
We don't know the number of units shipped. The other issue is that we don't know how many people had similar issues but didn't complain here or anywhere else... just returned it.

The reason it gave me pause is that I don't have a 'local' supplier, so that if there is a problem, its an extra set of steps to jump thru to get it resolved.
Granted its not like I'm buying a set of computer servers for my home lab...

[Edit]
There are a couple of US distributors that are listed on the Onix site. Looking at one... their site doesn't list Onix as something they carry.
On the two that I did speak with... one said there's a 30 unit minimum, but if I'd be willing to pay more... they'd get one in on their next order.
The other one responded that they didn't plan to carry it. Now there's nothing wrong with that. The product is new and dealers have to consider what they want to carry or not.

The ONIX Alpha is relatively new to the Western Market and its in a crowded field.
I guess over time they may pick it up... or you just buy direct from Shanling's store or one of their other distributors.
I understand your hesitation.
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 7:57 AM Post #757 of 1,675
Haven't really compared them on the XI1 yet. Normally, fast filters have more extended treble. A potential side-effect depending on synergy is causing less natural sound (disjointed notes, metallic/plasticky timbre) due to likelihood of ringing, so likely best used with dark IEMs. Slow filters roll off sooner in the treble could help with situations where you have a metallic or plasticky timbre or disjointed notes (by reducing ringing). I always start with Nonoversampling whenever the option is available, just to start on a blank slate.

Side note regarding the leather case (reason for test is others reported sonic differences from limited edition DAPs that used different housing metals):
Anyone can feel free to blind test the XI1 with and without the leather case. At least I am not spreading snake oil because most people got the case for free (plus I am not recommending the case anyway). Unlike $3,000 cables, everyone can blind test with the cheap leather case that they got for free.
To test, it is very simple (use stock OTG cable to test):
1) Find a partner to assist you with the blind test.
2) With the case already on, connect the ONIX Alpha XI1 to your computer's USB port and leave it suspended (hanging down) in the air. Then connect headphone.
UPDATE: Use High Gain (4.4mm balanced output) instead of Low Gain for the test (will make difference easily discernable). Use Low Gain for regular listening.
3) On foobar, play a song you are familiar with (I suggest a soft vocal track with constant bass and cymbals. This lets you easily identify if the bass starts distracting from the soft atmosphere).
4) Ask your assistant to play your selected passage at the selected timestamp (remember your observations).
5) Ask your assistant to slide the case off and replay the same passage (remember your observations).
6) Your assistant will now randomize it and you can begin guessing. State your guess to your assistant who will note down "correct" or "wrong".
7) Note your observations and repeat. Try to get 9 or 10 out of 10 to ensure confidence level is high.
8) Based on the final tally, you have your answer as to whether you perceived any difference in sound with/without the case on.

9) If the result is that you perceived a difference, then you can then proceed to test with the dongle flat on your desk, inside your pocket, etc. If the result is you perceived no difference, then there is no further need to proceed.

10) Blind test done.

My observations using the stock OTG cable + ZMF Verite Closed on Windows 10:
-Case on: reduced diffusion/denser notes, narrower/deeper soundstage (more holographic), grounded/less elevated cymbal trails, subdued presence region, more contained reverberations, punchier/deeper bass
-Case off: more diffuse, wider soundstage (left/right), more airy/elevated cymbal trails, cymbal trails linger and spread more over soundstage, softer/lighter bass

Anyway, this is faster to do on the fly than changing filters since there's no need to disconnect anything due to the case being automatically secured by the OTG cable between the dongle and the source player.

Listening blind tests are reliable as long as it's a personal result with high confidence level across multiple guesses, although the result is not universal since someone else can have different hearing.
I'm just curious: How can something external to the dongle (like the leather case) without any electrical connection influence the internal circuitry and affect how it sounds? For you to perceive such subtle nuances, you probably have bat-like hearing.
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 8:01 AM Post #758 of 1,675
In theory, I am not aware of anything that supports this, but indeed this blind test is simple and cheap to conduct (update: use high gain/4.4mm output for test, low gain for regular listening). My reason for testing was recalling people reported sonic differences from special edition DAPs that used different housing materials. They could have been placebo but in this case, the test happened to be simple to conduct. All controversies are usually based around the lack of blind tests, and here almost everyone has a case and can blind test, so I hope everyone can easily get their results.

With the case on, the sound is noticeably more controlled and less diffuse for me.
Perhaps I may have bad ears compared to yours, but I don't hear any difference at all, and tbh, it's all probably the same along the lines of snake oil and gobbledygook nonsense by overly imaginative audiophiles.
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 8:10 AM Post #759 of 1,675
Perhaps I may have bad ears compared to yours, but I don't hear any difference at all, and tbh, it's all probably the same along the lines of snake oil and gobbledygook nonsense by overly imaginative audiophiles.
Something to think about... the leather case could be blocking some EFI noise or it could be dampening any vibrations.
You never know unless you have the exact same conditions for the test. Including the music.

Not sure I'd call it snake oil... I mean I want the case so that it protects the unit in my pocket, or when its about. I'd imagine a little more protection if the unit takes a fall off the desk too. The case isn't being sold as a sound enhancer... so not snake oil, just one guy's observations...
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 11:46 AM Post #760 of 1,675
I have bought the Onix xl1 Alpha and i am happy with the sound. But unit does not work with Oppo A74 nothing happens when you plug in the usb-c. It works with HP Elitebook G9 on Windows 11 but this time the blue indicator does not change color and do not show the real playback quality. It only flashes blue. Unless this usb-c problems with different brand phones solved somehow this unit will be considered a good small dac for desktop use with computers. It is inconsistent for mobile phone use and like a lottery for buying whether it will work or not with your existing unit. Hope there will be a solution soon.

PS: Mailed with the onix team and I discovered the otc is disabled in Oppo A74 as default. After enabling it the onix works without problem. For the computer problem they advised to download the drivers from their site. I thank to Onix team for their support they are excellent.
 
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Jul 25, 2024 at 12:29 PM Post #762 of 1,675
I'm just curious: How can something external to the dongle (like the leather case) without any electrical connection influence the internal circuitry and affect how it sounds? For you to perceive such subtle nuances, you probably have bat-like hearing.
I wrote my guess to your question in the "side note" section of your quoted post. Note I can't make any claims since my guess is not scientific data. I'm also no better than curious on this matter. As for the differences, they shouldn't be at the extent of bat-like requirements.
Perhaps I may have bad ears compared to yours, but I don't hear any difference at all, and tbh, it's all probably the same along the lines of snake oil and gobbledygook nonsense by overly imaginative audiophiles.
I will take the critique of "overly imaginative nonsense" as I chose to paint a target on myself. Since I don't want to upload footage of myself, I have to accept this critique. But note my intention was to share, not to deceive (aka snake oil). I can't take the "snake oil" accusation, but I will accept the "gobbledygook".

PS: I am sure you don't have bad ears since there will always be differences you can hear that others will swear they cannot. For example, I watch several reviewers who truly proclaim they cannot hear differences between cables and sources. In fact, some of them are very proud of this as they believe it is a positive result that redeems them from the placebo effect. I do not think they have bad ears because there are likely things they can hear that I cannot. I am just surprised to discover that there are always things some people can/can't hear. None of these people are attempting to snake oil anyone either. They are truly genuinely reporting what they do/don't hear.
 
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Jul 25, 2024 at 3:32 PM Post #763 of 1,675
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In my case , your theory with power is a non issue for me. The iBasso CM19 Y cable works perfectly with Onix and my Hidizs AP80x pro. But will not work with my MAC mini. The Onix has clipping every 3 secs in the right channel. There is either some bad compatibility issues or bad quality control of the USB C port of the Onix.

There is no way I can recommend this DAC. Another person in the thread had 2 returns From HiFiGo and in the end had to get a full refund. It’s what process I’ll be starting.
I have the Shanling H2, which outputs 510mw and it does not require a separate power source for the most part. This is very close to the Onix. I don't understand exactly why this dongle requires so much power.
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 3:38 PM Post #764 of 1,675
I wrote my guess to your question in the "side note" section of your quoted post. Note I can't make any claims since my guess is not scientific data. I'm also no better than curious on this matter. As for the differences, they shouldn't be at the extent of bat-like requirements.

I will take the critique of "overly imaginative nonsense" as I chose to paint a target on myself. Since I don't want to upload footage of myself, I have to accept this critique. But note my intention was to share, not to deceive (aka snake oil). I can't take the "snake oil" accusation, but I will accept the "gobbledygook".

PS: I am sure you don't have bad ears since there will always be differences you can hear that others will swear they cannot. For example, I watch several reviewers who truly proclaim they cannot hear differences between cables and sources. In fact, some of them are very proud of this as they believe it is a positive result that redeems them from the placebo effect. I do not think they have bad ears because there are likely things they can hear that I cannot. I am just surprised to discover that there are always things some people can/can't hear. None of these people are attempting to snake oil anyone either. They are truly genuinely reporting what they do/don't hear.
I totally get it... you had the best of intentions... we're dealing with subjective perceptions and opinions here. Peace man!
 
Jul 25, 2024 at 4:38 PM Post #765 of 1,675
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In my case , your theory with power is a non issue for me. The iBasso CM19 Y cable works perfectly with Onix and my Hidizs AP80x pro. But will not work with my MAC mini. The Onix has clipping every 3 secs in the right channel. There is either some bad compatibility issues or bad quality control of the USB C port of the Onix.

There is no way I can recommend this DAC. Another person in the thread had 2 returns From HiFiGo and in the end had to get a full refund. It’s what process I’ll be starting.

IIRC, Shanling said that the Alpha wasn't tested w Intel based Macs. I have an iMac Intel based, a couple of old macbooks that are intel and my current macbook is M1Max which should work. (Assuming I buy this... ) So I could test it out. along w an iPhone 15 and an iPad Pro 1st Gen.
 

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