O2 AMP + ODAC

[Solrighal]

That's a stupid excuse.

It's an irrelevant excuse. What about flac?

 

[tdockweiler]

Nobody uses FLAC. Only 1% of music users listen to that. LHZ/OGG/ASDF formats are much better and more widely supported.
 
Also, if an mp3 player doesn't support ASDF format it's not worth using!
 
Oh and in an unrelated note..I HATE the MKV container. I should like it, but just can't.

 

[HeatFan12]

  Nobody uses FLAC. Only 1% of music users listen to that. LHZ/OGG/ASDF formats are much better and more widely supported.
 
Also, if an mp3 player doesn't support ASDF format it's not worth using!
 
Oh and in an unrelated note..I HATE the MKV container. I should like it, but just can't.

 
 
That's pretty funny!  Cheers tdock!!

 

[greenkiwi]

It's an irrelevant excuse. What about flac?

I do find it frustrating that it doesn't support FLAC (particularly that you can't even fool it into accepting FLAC or auto converting FLAC to ALAC), but I just accepted it and have everything in ALAC.  Most other players play that too... so I'm all good.

 

[Xenophon]

I guess that makes me one of those fools that do use FLAC. And fwiw I also detest iTunes and so far have not found a simple, easy to use no bs system to organise my music (lots of files, various versions of the same classical piece but brought by various artisrs/recording labels etc. Don't even need a graphical interface, just a db with various query options linked to a player (jriver for the time being).

The HD-track craze is the latest to separate fools from their money, it makes absolutely no sense to pay for extra resolution beyond what's essentially the redbook cd standard. Any benefits there are will be inaudible, this can be demonstrated but there are always people willing to pay up for the hype.

 

[r010159]

I find iTunes integration to be very buggy with all the premium players that I have tried. ITunes simply does not cooperate well with external software.

 

[Xenophon]

Ot but the above is the reason why I'm now typing this from a Samsung tab and not an ipad...the smothering love of Apple. A lovely ecosystem if you go all in but then you better accept that it'll be their way or the highway....all the way, all the time. To their credit, they're not coy about it.

 

[greenkiwi]

I guess that makes me one of those fools that do use FLAC. And fwiw I also detest iTunes and so far have not found a simple, easy to use no bs system to organise my music (lots of files, various versions of the same classical piece but brought by various artisrs/recording labels etc. Don't even need a graphical interface, just a db with various query options linked to a player (jriver for the time being).

The HD-track craze is the latest to separate fools from their money, it makes absolutely no sense to pay for extra resolution beyond what's essentially the redbook cd standard. Any benefits there are will be inaudible, this can be demonstrated but there are always people willing to pay up for the hype.

There's nothing foolish about using FLAC.  

 

[headwhacker]

   
 
That's pretty funny!  Cheers tdock!!

+1 Funny indeed ...

 

[Super MANSKITO]

 
Should I do a subjective review with my T1s and HE-500s? It came in the mail yesterday.  Its an O2/DAC limited edition from JDS labs.

 

[tdockweiler]

Ok, I actually like FLAC but stopped using it so much when I found out I can't really hear much of a difference between 320kbps and FLAC. Let's not go there though. I did that test YEARS ago.
Sarcasm doesn't usually translate well online, but I could have sworn Apple said they wouldn't support FLAC because they have almost no requests for it. I bet FLAC is really at the 1% usage mark. Makes you sick right?
Previously I was using WAV because it had better support than FLAC at the time! This didn't make sense though for a 16GB mp3 player.
 
I really do hate the limited file support on Ipods and Itunes. Heck I don't even know if Xvid or the MKV container is supported on even an Ipad. You'd think so! Xvid is so dang common. I'll be glad when Divx dies!
 
Right now I use a mix of Foobar and Itunes. I actually prefer the interface of Itunes to Foobar. Foobar actually annoys me even more!
 
I also have a worthless Ibook G4 I use in my bedroom and the only decent music player for it is Itunes. Linux is not worth using on it since it has a PPC processor.
 
BTW It kind of stinks having both an Ipod Touch 2G and a Clip+. It's like i'm usually keeping around two different libraries.
 
Another thing...I have this weird habit of listening to Itunes samples for up to 2 hours. Mostly ambient electronic. The samples are often really long and even sound pretty OK!
 
If I HAVE to buy mp3 I usually go to Amazon or ugh... Google Play. I think everyone hates Google...
 
BTW I really love the O2 with the LM4652. I'm using that instead of the OPA2227 and stock op-amps. For JUST the Q701, the OPA2227 would be better, but it's not a perfect match for the HD-650. LM4652 sounds more "neutral" (yes, I know).

 

[SilverEars]

Guyz, I've tried feeding other DACs to O2, and it's not the same as ODAC feeding it.  I just tried feeding it DX90 and X5 line-outs. And, also C5D in the past. It doesn't sound as detailed and clear as when ODAC is feeding it.  Do you think there was something on the ODAC that matches well with O2?  U know who probably knows something we don't about the match up.  I need to read up on it, maybe he talks about it.

 

[headwhacker]

Ok, I actually like FLAC but stopped using it so much when I found out I can't really hear much of a difference between 320kbps and FLAC. Let's not go there though. I did that test YEARS ago.


Sarcasm doesn't usually translate well online, but I could have sworn Apple said they wouldn't support FLAC because they have almost no requests for it. I bet FLAC is really at the 1% usage mark. Makes you sick right?


Previously I was using WAV because it had better support than FLAC at the time! This didn't make sense though for a 16GB mp3 player.


 


I really do hate the limited file support on Ipods and Itunes. Heck I don't even know if Xvid or the MKV container is supported on even an Ipad. You'd think so! Xvid is so dang common. I'll be glad when Divx dies!


 


Right now I use a mix of Foobar and Itunes. I actually prefer the interface of Itunes to Foobar. Foobar actually annoys me even more!


 


I also have a worthless Ibook G4 I use in my bedroom and the only decent music player for it is Itunes. Linux is not worth using on it since it has a PPC processor.


 


BTW It kind of stinks having both an Ipod Touch 2G and a Clip+. It's like i'm usually keeping around two different libraries.


 


Another thing...I have this weird habit of listening to Itunes samples for up to 2 hours. Mostly ambient electronic. The samples are often really long and even sound pretty OK!


 


If I HAVE to buy mp3 I usually go to Amazon or ugh... Google Play. I think everyone hates Google...


 


BTW I really love the O2 with the LM4652. I'm using that instead of the OPA2227 and stock op-amps. For JUST the Q701, the OPA2227 would be better, but it's not a perfect match for the HD-650. LM4652 sounds more "neutral" (yes, I know).

 


Apple is not supporting FLAC because they have their own lossless compressed format which is ALAC (m4a). Converting between the 2 formats is seamless.

I understand if you don't hear much difference between 320k MP3 and a FLAC. It does make sense depending on the music. But for critical listening lossy format is just like that, lossy. Imagine people are arguing about differences between a 16 bit lossless file against a 24 bit file from the same master.

 

[headwhacker]

Guyz, I've tried feeding other DACs to O2, and it's not the same as ODAC feeding it.  I just tried feeding it DX90 and X5 line-outs. And, also C5D in the past. It doesn't sound as detailed and clear as when ODAC is feeding it.  Do you think there was something on the ODAC that matches well with O2?  U know who probably knows something we don't about the match up.  I need to read up on it, maybe he talks about it.

 


I'm curious to hear the ODAC as well with O2. DX90 already sounds detailed and clear with O2.

 

[miceblue]

I do find it frustrating that it doesn't support FLAC (particularly that you can't even fool it into accepting FLAC or auto converting FLAC to ALAC), but I just accepted it and have everything in ALAC.  Most other players play that too... so I'm all good.

Sure it can. That's what Fluke is for.

Guyz, I've tried feeding other DACs to O2, and it's not the same as ODAC feeding it.  I just tried feeding it DX90 and X5 line-outs. And, also C5D in the past. It doesn't sound as detailed and clear as when ODAC is feeding it.  Do you think there was something on the ODAC that matches well with O2?  U know who probably knows something we don't about the match up.  I need to read up on it, maybe he talks about it.

I haven't tried the DX90, but the X5's DAC sounded coloured to me. Likewise for the C5D, but I vastly prefer the C5D's DAC to that of the X5. I'll be receiving the Geek Out soon, so it'll be interesting to compare that to the ODAC.
http://geek.lhlabs.com/force/geekout/898-geek-out-vs-the-others-3rd-installment