[screwdriver]

yeah that john meyer win over JT pissed me off too.

 

[djgustashaw]

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Yet the standard for "real music" has slid down so low that the Avril's of the world can now claim with a straight face that she's the "real deal" because she doesn't show her freakin' belly-button.

ahh thank you!!!! im a teen and i hate to hear all this crap that's on pop radio... if only people knew how much great music is out there....

 

[Matthew-Spaltro]

If you can not write your own songs and you depend on other people to write the songs you perform you deserve nothing but disdain. How can you call your self an artist when you can't even write your own material?

 

[Rizumu]

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Originally posted by Matthew-Spaltro If you can not write your own songs and you depend on other people to write the songs you perform you deserve nothing but disdain. How can you call your self an artist when you can't even write your own material?

This is why I don't call these people artists, rather I call them performers. Avril, though, who doesn't even play guitar live like she claims she can (and her singing sucks from the live peformances I've seen)...

Your material doesn't reflect who you are and you can barely perform it? I mean isn't that like the bottom of the scale?

 

[Pepsione1]

Avril's performance was just horrible last nite at the grammy, especially after seeing how well Norah Jones performed. Norah Jones sounded almost like she did on her cd, that shows the little touch-ups required when producing her cd.

Overall I think the grammy was boring and I ended watching X-Men instead.

 

[PodMan]

yeah that Avril performance was pretty bad. that was the first time i saw her perform. lyrics were some of the worse I've ever heard as well.

 

[Bongo]

I really like Norah Jones' music. I believe her when she said last night that she was surprised her music would be considered "pop" (especially these days)... interesting what marketing/promoting can do. She was noticably nervous during her performance though ... I didn't mind it a bit ... maybe just shows how much of a fan I am of her. I just wish they would have played a bit of some of her other tracks while she was walking up and down for her other awards. Like the title song "Come Away With Me". That, I personally prefer to DKW.

 

[jerikl]

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If you can not write your own songs and you depend on other people to write the songs you perform you deserve nothing but disdain. How can you call your self an artist when you can't even write your own material?

Well... there are plenty of jazz musicians who have tons of albums out there with a bunch of other people's songs. I don't think anything less of them though -- yet, probably a different case. Their [jazz musicians] art, much of the time, comes from the way they actually play the songs though. The improvisation, the style, whatever.

I like Norah Jones though... but I liked her before all the hype too... not that it really makes a difference.

 

[markl]

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I believe her when she said last night that she was surprised her music would be considered "pop"

Yeah, but I bet die-hard jazz-heads would say I can't believe she has the cajones to consider her music "jazz".

I'm not hard-core about jazz yet (but I am hard-core about all the other forms of music I love, so it won't be long), but even to my "jazz-beginner" ears, isn't she more in the category of the Kenny G's, the Harry Connick Jr.s of the world? Designed to appeal to mainstream tastes instead of satisfying the actual jazz listener? The same audience that might buy Rod Stewart's new album of "old standards" for example.

Mark

 

[jude]

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Originally posted by grinch i think michelle branch is better looking. i think norah jones sucks. i think the "audiophile community" is all over this girl because she's young, decent looking, and the record company threw a ****load of money towards her album for great musicians and production (despite the fact that the album has distortions in the pressings). i've heard better from women in bars playing pianos and singing for 10% of what the door takes in at $5 a person. of course, they don't all have cds on blue note. she's just another marketing stunt, but she has a jazzy connotation so it keeps the old people happy.

Yes, Blue Note -- the mainstream pop hitmaker factory, with artists like these making up their artist roster:[size=xx-small]

1. Adams, Greg
   Adderley, Cannonball
   Alberstein, Chava
   Allison, Mose
   Almeida/Bud Shank, Laurindo
   Ammons/Meade Lux Lewis, Albert
   Armstrong & Duke Ellington, Louis
   Baker, Chet
   Barber, Patricia
   Basie, Count
   Bechet, Sidney
   Belden, Bob
   Blade, Brian
   Blakey, Art
   Blondy, Alpha
   Bottine, La, Souriante
   Braith, George
   Brooks, Tina
   Brown, Carlinhos
   Brown, Clifford
   Bruce, Lenny
   Bunnett, Jane
   Burrell, Kenny
   Byrd, Donald
   Byron, Don
   Calle 54
   Carmichael, Hoagy
   Carter, Betty
   Carter, Ron
   Chaloff, Serge
   Chambers, Paul
   Charlap Trio, Bill
   Cherry, Don
   Christy, June
   Clark, Sonny
   Clifford Jordan, John Gilmore
   Cole, Holly
   Cole, Nat King
   Coleman, Ornette
   Coltrane, John
   Corea, Chick
   Criss, Sonny
   Curtis, King
   Dalaras, George
   Davis, Miles
   Dearie, Blossom
   Denson, Karl
   Di Battista, Stefano
   Di Meola, Al
   DJ Smash
   Djavan
   Dolphy, Eric
   Donaldson, Lou
   Dorham, Kenny
   Dorough, Bob
   Dr. John
   Eckstine, Billy
   Elias, Eliane
   Elling, Kurt
   Ellington, Duke
   Elliot, Richard
   Ellis, Don
   Ervin, Booker
   Evans, Bill
   Evans/Jim Hall, Bill
   Fairuz
   Farmer, Art
   Fattburger
   Ferrell, Rachelle
   Fitzgerald, Ella
   Flanagan, Tommy
   Gardel, Carlos
   Getz, Stan
   Goodman, Benny
   Gordon, Dexter
   Green, Benny
   Green, Grant
   Griffin, Johnny
   Hamilton, Chico
   Hancock, Herbie
   Harp, Everette
   Harris, Stefon
   Harris & Jacky Terrasson, Stefon
   Hartman, Johnny
   Henderson, Eddie
   Henderson, Joe
   Hill, Andrew
   Holiday, Billie
   Holmes, Richard Groove
   Hubbard, Freddie
   Humphrey, Bobbi
   Hunter, Charlie
   Hutcherson, Bobby
   Irakere
   Jackson, Milt
   Jackson, Jr., Paul
   James, Harry
   Jazz Cusaders, The
   Jazz Mandolin Project
   Johnson, J.J.
   Jones, Norah
   Jones, Rodney
   Jones-Mel Lewis, Thad
   Jordan, Ronny
   Jordan, Sheila
   Jordan, Stanley
   Jordan, Clifford, Gilmore, John
   Keita, Salif
   Kenton, Stan
   Klugh, Earl
   Klugh & Bob James, Earl
   Konitz/Gerry Mulligan, Lee
   Konitz/Mehldau/Haden, Lee
   Kottke, Leo
   Laws, Ronnie
   Lee, Peggy
   Little, Booker
   London, Julie
   Los Van Van
   Lovano, Joe
   Lutcher, Nellie
   Machito
   Madredeus
   Maria, Tania
   Martino, Pat
   McDuff, Jack
   McFerrin, Bobby
   McGriff, Jimmy
   McLean, Jackie
   Medeski Martin & Wood
   Milanes, Pablo
   Mingus, Charles
   Mobley, Hank
   Monk, Thelonious
   Monte, Marisa
   Montgomery, Wes
   Montrose, Jack
   Moran, Jason
   Morgan, Lee
   Mulligan, Gerry
   Najee
   Nascimento, Milton
   Navarro/Tadd Dameron, Fats
   Nichols, Herbie
   Osby, Greg
   Parker, Charlie
   Parker/Dizzy Gillespie, Charlie
   Pass, Joe
   Patton, John
   Pepper, Art
   Perkins, Bill
   Petrucciani, Michel
   Pieces Of A Dream
   Plaxico, Lonnie
   Pleasure, King
   Pointer, Noel
   Ponty, Jean Luc
   Powell, Bud
   Prima, Louis
   Quebec, Ike
   Rawls, Lou
   Rawls/Les McCann, Lou
   Redd, Freddie
   Reece, Dizzy
   Reeves, Dianne
   Regina, Elis
   Reinhardt, Django
   Rich, Buddy
   Rodrigues, Amalia
   Rollins, Sonny
   Rosnes, Renee
   Rubalcaba, Gonzalo
   Sabu
   Salvador, Henri
   Scofield, John
   ScoLoHoFo
   Shank/Bill Perkins, Bud
   Shearing, George
   Sheldon, Jack
   Shorter, Wayne
   Silver, Horace
   Simone, Nina
   Sinatra/Red Norvo..., Frank
   Smith, Jimmy
   Smith, Johnny
   Smith, Lonnie
   Soulive
   St. Germain
   Tatum, Art
   Taylor, Cecil
   Terrasson, Jacky
   Terrasson, Jacky, Wilson, Cassandra
   Three Sounds, The
   Touff, Cy
   Tristano/Warne Marsh, Lennie
   Truffaz, Erik
   Turrentine, Stanley
   Tyner, McCoy
   Us3
   Valdes, Chucho
   Valdes Trio, Bebo
   Van Gelder, Rudy
   Vaughan, Sarah
   Vaughan/Lester Young, Sarah
   Warda
   Washington, Dinah
   Wild Magnolias, The
   Wilkerson, Don
   Williams, Joe
   Williams, Tony
   Williams, Joe, Edison "Sweets", Harry
   Wilson, Cassandra
   Wilson, Nancy
   Wilson & Cannonball Adderley, Nancy
   Wilson & George Shearing, Nancy
   Young, Larry
   Young, Lester

[/size]Damn sell-out label.

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Originally posted by markl ....Designed to appeal to mainstream tastes instead of satisfying the actual jazz listener?....

I'm an actual jazz listener, and I dig her first album -- in my opinion, it was a strong debut, and I don't mean just in terms of sales. I think she'd be more accepted by some as a soft jazzy player/singer if she had remained a more obscure Blue Note artist, and hadn't just made every front page, cradling eight Grammy awards.

Heck, even if someone called her bluegrass or heavy metal, her music'd still sound the same to me -- I dig it, and wouldn't hesitate to buy her next album, even without a sample listen. If her next album is as good, or even better, I won't hold it against her if it also happens to sit at number one on every chart for a good long time and win her a dozen more Grammy trophies.

 

[jpelg]

Nora Jones is 'safe jazz'. Comfortable with a glass of wine at a dinner party, or upscale happy hour. Does not offend, nor challenge. Not a terrible thing. But although I am not a diehard jazz listener, it pains me just a bit when other deserving artists like the Diane Schurr's, or even Jane Monheit's of the jazz world will never get that kind of notoriety with the general public.

But I have discovered another use for Nora's music - chicks love it. Put on this CD, and you will get 'play' yourself. Trust me. My opinion of her music has gone up a few notches ever since

.

 

[chadbang]

Ricky Lee Jones (Currently residing in the "where is she now?" column), redux.

 

[grinch]

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Originally posted by jude Yes, Blue Note -- the mainstream pop hitmaker factory, with artists like these making up their artist roster: blah blah blah Damn sell-out label.

aren't most of those artists dead?

i would like to show that i will never make any judgements about an artist because of the record label he/she is/isn't with. although i like some labels better than others (some just have artists that i like more), i would never choose to like or hate an artist because they're on the "wrong label." i don't like norah jones because i can't get past the macy gray-ish sound in her voice. i've listened to the whole album, i just don't like it and because of all the acclaim she's gotten, i feel she's overrated. i like jpelg's description of her as "safe jazz;" it doesn't really amaze or astound the genre and is just mainstream enough to be overly popular.

i was simply stating my theory that the audiophile community (and the rest of the world later) fell in love with this album because of three main reasons:

1. she's fairly attractive and young
2. her album sounds good (despite the mastering errors that seem to be present)
3. she's on an old-school jazz label with a huge name on it that the community has known and loved for a long time.[/list=1]
   enjoy it, but i've heard girls playing their hearts out in smokey bars and writing their own songs in their basements that sound better than her, and i'll continue listening to them instead.
   
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   I'm an actual jazz listener, and I dig her first album -- in my opinion, it was a strong debut, and I don't mean just in terms of sales. I think she'd be more accepted by some as a soft jazzy player/singer if she had remained a more obscure Blue Note artist, and hadn't just made every front page, cradling eight Grammy awards.

   
   
   okay, i admit it: i'm not an "actual jazz listener" because i don't like norah jones!
   
   
   
   i think i'll go hang out on the local elementary school playgrounds and talk music with children, they seem to be more mature about it.

 

[jude]

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Originally posted by grinch ....okay, i admit it: i'm not an "actual jazz listener" because i don't like norah jones! ....

That's not what I was saying at all, but it doesn't surprise me that you'd misinterpret anything. That comment was in response to the suggestion that jazz listeners don't enjoy Jones' music, and was simply saying that this jazz listener (and many others) enjoys her music. Other than for the sake of being ineffectively argumentative, I can't see how one would interpret the statement as suggesting all jazz fans must like her. Quote:

Originally posted by grinch ....i think i'll go hang out on the local elementary school playgrounds and talk music with children, they seem to be more mature about it.

There'll definitely be more common ground for you there -- I'll give you that. Dress warm.

 

[gloco]

Just letting tha peeps know, there's a Norah Jones DVD out, i picked it up at jandr yesterday for $10...haven't watched it yet though. It's a concert from last Summer.