Noble Audio - Introducing KAISER ENCORE and SAGE

Nov 17, 2016 at 11:52 AM Post #31 of 257
Reading your 2 last comments , it is pretty difficult to understand your way of thinking but hey no problem.

I was just expressing my opinion about the pricing of new TOTL introduced in the market recently. I don't understand how "you" (not you but manufacturers in general) can ask more than 1,5K for TOTL IEMs, to me that's crazy. I can maybe understand if we are talking about very limited production, hand-made IEM , pretty exclusive such as Fitear.
My point is that some companies can make TOTL product for much less than 1,5K which compete with everything else existing.

Luckily for us, there are still some new products launched with a strong value proposition such as IT03 or Primacy

Good luck with these 2 new products.


I do believe fit ear rely on sla machines for their shells and hand assembles their products, not unlike the majority of those in the industry (there r vdos on you tube covering the fit ear lab)

As far as exclusive goes, we offer the prestige line, and we are the only mfg in the world to offer ciems made with subtractive technology (thats pretty exclusive)

Thanks for wishing us luck, the more the better
 
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Nov 17, 2016 at 1:15 PM Post #32 of 257
Always the focus on the K10. Where's the thoughts on the Sage? I understand that its a flagship product so its going to get a good portion of the spot light, but with such diverse line up its a shame the rest get completely over shadowed (Same in the Noble thread).
 
If anyone has had a chance to listen to the Sage, I'd love to hear some thoughts. Descriptions of the Savant always had my interest but the promise of the better and more extended low end of the Sage sounds even more enticing. 
 
Nov 17, 2016 at 1:26 PM Post #33 of 257
  Always the focus on the K10. Where's the thoughts on the Sage? I understand that its a flagship product so its going to get a good portion of the spot light, but with such diverse line up its a shame the rest get completely over shadowed (Same in the Noble thread).
 
If anyone has had a chance to listen to the Sage, I'd love to hear some thoughts. Descriptions of the Savant always had my interest but the promise of the better and more extended low end of the Sage sounds even more enticing. 

 
Maybe those impressions will end up in the Savant thread, its still early for both the Encore and Sage to be in enough hands to get more info.
 
Nov 17, 2016 at 5:15 PM Post #34 of 257
well encore has me interested looking up from my bowl of 846 gruel i have been happily slurping down for three years. Black friday is coming, i wonder if that might give me the impetus to purchase me some noble gear?
 
Nov 17, 2016 at 6:43 PM Post #35 of 257
I don't like cheap-looking colors on audio products in general. 


I second this opinion. For the kind of great sound quality Noble seems to stand for, the colours in the universal line is cringe-worthy. Check the photos in plain day light, not the studio shots done in soft light and color-corrected. I may not be the only one who would hate to see such ghastly coloured globes hanging around my ears. They suggest very alternative sexuality, not that everyone doesn't have room in this world. Not to mention the dual colour theme, one of which is actually silver or white offering too shocking a contrast to the already ghastly colours and a failed attempt to hide the big housing size. It is for a reason that many manufacturers of many portable products, headphones or others, choose either black or black-like colours - black absorbs light and the wearable product doesn't pounce out when a person steps out of home. Not to mention the nature of black as a colour - which makes the size of the product appear smaller than it actually is and also hides the unwieldy curves, if any. Noble could've chosen black or near-black colours with preferably mono or, no problem, dual colour themes of dark colours the way 64Audio did for its all-black U series or InEar did for its StageDiver series or Unique Melody did for its universals or recently iBasso did for IT03. It is hard to believe that Noble, the company that designs such sexy designs in customs and Prestige series offers such an anticlimax with the unmentionable colours of its Universals. Let us not even talk about grooves of metal as the material choice they picked for universals. And the blob-shape that looks like some kind of cancerous growth out of ears. The sound out of Noble universals may be like nectar of gods to our ears but their designs and colours of their Universals are like a cross one has to carry around one's ears. All because some of us don't prefer to use CIEMs that penetrate so deep into the ear canal that homophobia is not far ahead, brain infection or not. The Wizard's design love that goes into CIEM housings simply isn't the same that does into Universals. #UniversalsLivesMatter! ALSO, why, why, why, WHY the hell the housing sizes of universals of Noble, Empire Ears, Rhaphsody, Heir Audio and every other manufacturer are still, even in 2017, SO BIG, despite the fact that 64Audio and InEars of StageDivers and recently Campfire Audio have shown that housing size of Universals CAN be 20%-30% smaller than what they used to be two years ago for the same number of drivers?!!!


May I ask which is your go-to IEM in your awesome collection?


Sarcasm is uncalled for. He broached a valid point concerning Noble in Noble thread. Noble love is fine but why attack someone who is yet to afford a Noble product but questions something about its design philosophy like a pack of dogs with one Noble BFF or other leading it? Somebody said, "patriotism is fine but why should love stop at the border?" I don't remember who.

 
Nov 17, 2016 at 7:53 PM Post #36 of 257
I second this opinion. For the kind of great sound quality Noble seems to stand for, the colours in the universal line is cringe-worthy. Check the photos in plain day light, not the studio shots done in soft light and color-corrected. I may not be the only one who would hate to see such ghastly coloured globes hanging around my ears. They suggest very alternative sexuality, not that everyone doesn't have room in this world. Not to mention the dual colour theme, one of which is actually silver or white offering too shocking a contrast to the already ghastly colours and a failed attempt to hide the big housing size. It is for a reason that many manufacturers of many portable products, headphones or others, choose either black or black-like colours - black absorbs light and the wearable product doesn't pounce out when a person steps out of home. Not to mention the nature of black as a colour - which makes the size of the product appear smaller than it actually is and also hides the unwieldy curves, if any. Noble could've chosen black or near-black colours with preferably mono or, no problem, dual colour themes of dark colours the way 64Audio did for its all-black U series or InEar did for its StageDiver series or Unique Melody did for its universals or recently iBasso did for IT03. It is hard to believe that Noble, the company that designs such sexy designs in customs and Prestige series offers such an anticlimax with the unmentionable colours of its Universals. Let us not even talk about grooves of metal as the material choice they picked for universals. And the blob-shape that looks like some kind of cancerous growth out of ears. The sound out of Noble universals may be like nectar of gods to our ears but their designs and colours of their Universals are like a cross one has to carry around one's ears. All because some of us don't prefer to use CIEMs that penetrate so deep into the ear canal that homophobia is not far ahead, brain infection or not. The Wizard's design love that goes into CIEM housings simply isn't the same that does into Universals. #UniversalsLivesMatter! ALSO, why, why, why, WHY the hell the housing sizes of universals of Noble, Empire Ears, Rhaphsody, Heir Audio and every other manufacturer are still, even in 2017, SO BIG, despite the fact that 64Audio and InEars of StageDivers and recently Campfire Audio have shown that housing size of Universals CAN be 20%-30% smaller than what they used to be two years ago for the same number of drivers?!!!
Sarcasm is uncalled for. He broached a valid point concerning Noble in Noble thread. Noble love is fine but why attack someone who is yet to afford a Noble product but questions something about its design philosophy like a pack of dogs with one Noble BFF or other leading it? Somebody said, "patriotism is fine but why should love stop at the border?" I don't remember who.




You know nothing John Snow

Campfire audio, while some of their products are small, surprisingly so, they dont contain the same type of drivers. Number and type are two different animals all together.

Some companies rely on the DTEC drivers for bass production, some rely on the CI. As often said in the car industry, there is no replacement for displacement, and the CI driver moves a lot of air offering up a nice deep rich bass sound quality.

The ci is essentially the largest bass driver in the industry, and a lot of designs used today use dual ci drivers.

As far as why are housings big across the industry, while nobles are not the largest... the reason is for most companies, one housing can be used for multiple designs. Much like one car, can hold a 4 banger, 6 or possibly a v8. It is more cost effective to have one housing that can contain many different designs.

Being lean, allows for lower retail prices, more design availablilty, more design flexability, and speedier product launches, as a housing doesnt have to be redesigned and re-tooled with every new product design.

A typical shell design starting price is over 20k USD, I suspect for most boutique audio companies, 20K is a lot of dosh to outlay.


As for grooves in metal....

You only get that level of accuracy and detail with cnc milling, which is very expensive compared to casting. Those grooves serve in several ways,

One it shows that the housing is truely cnc, not a casted wanabe cnc housing

Two, precission, it cant be matched

Three, quality through out, no short cuts in the flagship line up

Four..,, knock off prevention coppying our flag ship housing would be very difficult to do, so difficult, the juice wouldnt be worth the squeeze.

As for colors etc etc, well that is your subjective analyssis. Ive had a lot of folks say they hate the color of the dulce bass, and a lot of folks say they love it.

So far, warts and all, the product launch has exceeded my expectations.

Thanks for the orders, they are greatly appreciated
 
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Nov 17, 2016 at 8:43 PM Post #37 of 257
You know nothing John Snow

Campfire audio, while some of their products are small, surprisingly so, they dont contain the same type of drivers. Number and type are two different animals all together.

Some companies rely on the DTEC drivers for bass production, some rely on the CI. As often said in the car industry, there is no replacement for displacement, and the CI driver moves a lot of air offering up a nice deep rich bass sound quality.

The ci is essentially the largest bass driver in the industry, and a lot of designs used today use dual ci drivers.

As far as why are housings big across the industry, while nobles are not the largest... the reason is for most companies, one housing can be used for multiple designs. Much like one car, can hold a 4 banger, 6 or possibly a v8. It is more cost effective to have one housing that can contain many different designs.

Being lean, allows for lower retail prices, more design availablilty, more design flexability, and speedier product launches, as a housing doesnt have to be redesigned and re-tooled with every new product design.

A typical shell design starting price is over 20k USD, I suspect for most boutique audio companies, 20K is a lot of dosh to outlay.


As for grooves in metal....

You only get that level of accuracy and detail with cnc milling, which is very expensive compared to casting. Those grooves serve in several ways,

One it shows that the housing is truely cnc, not a casted wanabe cnc housing

Two, precission, it cant be matched

Three, quality through out, no short cuts in the flagship line up

Four..,, knock off prevention coppying our flag ship housing would be very difficult to do, so difficult, the juice wouldnt be worth the squeeze.

As for colors etc etc, well that is your subjective analyssis. Ive had a lot of folks say they hate the color of the dulce bass, and a lot of folks say they love it.

So far, warts and all, the product launch has exceeded my expectations.

Thanks for the orders, they are greatly appreciated



I am ignoring the John Snow part.

You gave an excellent and very credible explanation to housing size, housing shape, housing colour and material and milling choice. But that explanation is your own subjective veiw on how you wish to manufacture your products and run your business. That works for you and your buyers. My post was about how some potential customers of yours, like me and the other guy in the previous post view your universal line designs through their own eyes. Be glad someone put their reaction to your line of products out. We only expressed what kind of housing designs and colours in UIEMs would make our lives easier and the fact that some companies already started going in that direction. One can always learn by learning about what one's customers want. Tell me you don't and I will call you Steve Jobs.
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 12:11 AM Post #39 of 257
FWIW I haven't been a big fan of the Noble universal IEM designs until I saw them in real life a couple of days ago in Hong Kong. They look much better and smaller than in the pictures. Didn't get a chance to audition them and they were missing the flagship models, but now I can think of ordering the universal models too when I'm in the market of an IEM upgrade.
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 3:09 AM Post #40 of 257
FWIW I haven't been a big fan of the Noble universal IEM designs until I saw them in real life a couple of days ago in Hong Kong. They look much better and smaller than in the pictures. Didn't get a chance to audition them and they were missing the flagship models, but now I can think of ordering the universal models too when I'm in the market of an IEM upgrade.

 
 
Thanks
 
The Katana a 9 driver per side product, isn't much bigger than a SE846.   Granted, it isn't the same size as a Klipsch X10, but again, it has 9 drivers.  The Encore is 2.5 mm taller than the Katana, so even then the Encore, with 10 drivers, 2 of which are CI drivers...  it is small.   The original K10 in ABS (dressed in sexy BLACK plastic) was even slightly smaller than the Encore.
 
If anything, there isn't a 10 driver on the market smaller than the Encore, and I'd hazard to say the Katana is the smalled 9 driver on the market today.   
 
Which is another reason we use CNC shells, as we can change their shape/size/design faster than we can with injected molded housings.  
 
. For the kind of great sound quality Noble seems to stand for, the colours in the universal line is cringe-worthy.
 

 
 
 
For those that wish to have more of an artistic/unique Universal product, built at a level that I would say is unparalleled,
 
 
Noble offers Wizard Universal products which can be found on the website
 
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 
 
 

 
 
 

 

 
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Nov 18, 2016 at 4:33 AM Post #41 of 257
Mm....well, I'm a fan and owner of Noble iems. Really don't care about the tech or design philosophy. All I care about is the soundzzzzzzz. That's my priority. My Noble 4 ciem and Noble 6 are now several years old and the upgrade itch is becoming stronger. Encore ciem looks like a gem. Need more listening impressions from those lucky enough to get an early preview. Is the build time still 4-6 weeks?
 
Nov 18, 2016 at 4:56 AM Post #42 of 257
Mm....well, I'm a fan and owner of Noble iems. Really don't care about the tech or design philosophy. All I care about is the soundzzzzzzz. That's my priority. My Noble 4 ciem and Noble 6 are now several years old and the upgrade itch is becoming stronger. Encore ciem looks like a gem. Need more listening impressions from those lucky enough to get an early preview. Is the build time still 4-6 weeks?

 
 
Build time is more like 6-8 weeks now, but due to the season, I wouldn't be surprise if build times will increase.  (sorry, just the nature of the business) 
 
 
If you lean heavily toward the N4 in sound preference, you may want to consider the Katana.  It has all the nice clarity the N4 officers, with a deep low extendsion. (not lifted/boosted)   It really is something to be admired.   That being said, if u get a chance to audition them, that would be best.
 
 

 
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Nov 18, 2016 at 5:38 AM Post #44 of 257
Mm...Katana is N4 + bass (quality and quantity?).?? Yes, I like the N4 sound over the N6. If clarity is your absolute priority, which model should I get?

 
 
I have been using the Katana for my go to product for about a month now.  (Universal)   One of the reasons for this, is due to their size, it isn't so much that the Encore is huge, as it isn't.  But the Katana, size wise is essentially the same as the average universal.   It actually is a bit smaller than our "classic" products as well.   It is also lighter than the Encore....
 
 
so really, as a package, it lends itself to be more of a hard core, hi fi daily driver universal.   (Problem being, an expensive daily driver, most folks wouldn't want to use a 1850 product as a daily driver & the Sage fits that category better, as its price point is $600)
 
 
Now, I have not spent a lot of time with the Encore lately, because every Encore that is being built has been spoken for.  (It has been a good launch)
 
 
Any how....  back to the question....
 
 
The Katana offers clarity that is expected from the N4, but has a low bass extension, and by that I don't mean the bass is lifted, I mean when the bass is introduced into the mix, the surprising factor is how low in frequency it hits, not so much how loud it hits.
 
 
 
You may want to PM Sorensin as he has the Katana and the OG K10.   He may have owned the N4 at one time, but I do know he owns a pair of Savants.
 
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