New Beyerdynamic T5p 2nd generation

[TokenGesture]

Damn, sound leakage is a killer for me with closed headphones...

 

[plakat]

  Damn, sound leakage is a killer for me with closed headphones...

I don't think they leak much if you got a good seal (and the soft pleather pads do that easily). If I had the inclination to listen at a library (which I not even did during my time at university) or directly near someone who's trying to sleep I'd go with in-ears like the Shure SE846. In all other cases the minor leakage through the vents should not be a problem I'd say.
 
Oh, and Beyer offers a really closed can as well, the DT770M. Its for drummers and FOH sound engineers, offering 35dB isolation. There was a FAQ entry once that said its not suitable for normal music enjoyment though as the completely sealed enclosure poses problems for the driver. Which may be the simple reason why so few really closed headphones are being offered.

 

[TokenGesture]

DT1770 is great for leakage (or lack thereof). I agree about iems, but for office use I find them too isolating and too much faff. Hence desire for closed can, great sound, minimal leakage (given I often work in open plan environments)

 

[plakat]

DT1770 is great for leakage (or lack thereof). I agree about iems, but for office use I find them too isolating and too much faff. Hence desire for closed can, great sound, minimal leakage (given I often work in open plan environments)

I think leackage is not much worse on the T5p2. Those holes *are* a bit smaller on the DT1770 though. Unfortunately I have no means of doing measurements on that aspect, would be interesting.
 
I would have no problem taking the T5p2 to an office... they isolate very well (i.e. outside to in) and don't leak much, at least not so much that they would be heard in a disturbing way over the background noise of a large office.
 
Yes, I don't like to use iems in a setting where someone might creep up to me and tap me on the  shoulder either... headphones are also a visual indication of 'if you want me to hear you come up to me'.
 
Any reason for thinking about switching from the DT1770 to the T5p2? I've found the DT1770 to be a very enjoyable headphone with great comfort at a good price point. I expect a shorter cable for them today which will make it easier to use while working.

 

[batracom]

   
 
Any reason for thinking about switching from the DT1770 to the T5p2? I've found the DT1770 to be a very enjoyable headphone with great comfort at a good price point. I expect a shorter cable for them today which will make it easier to use while working.

Have you managed to do a direct comparison between the DT1770 and the new T5p, and what do you make of it?

 

[TimeLord]

[COLOR=A52A2A]T5p 2nd gen[/COLOR]

Low end extends down to sub-bass (nice quality texture with a rather polite quantity), and a tight articulate mid-bass punch with a fast attack, but not as much slam.

I currently have the original T5p and like others I love everything about them except the lack of mid bass. How much of an improvement are the T5p2 from the original?

What other headphone has comparable bass response to the T5p2?

 

[plakat]

  Have you managed to do a direct comparison between the DT1770 and the new T5p, and what do you make of it?

 
I did a short comparison connected to my Benchmark DAC2DX. Obviously the T5p2 is louder. Besides that the T5p2 is brighter, has more presence and therefore appears more detailed (i.e. details are easier to pick out) in direct switching. The DT1770 has a bit more upper bass, with the T5p giving me a more linear impression while still reaching down real low. The DT1770 seems more polite, still very detailed when listening a bit longer, a bit less spacious with the soundstage going more through my head while the T5p2 managed to project more in front of me.
 

I currently have the original T5p and like others I love everything about them except the lack of mid bass. How much of an improvement are the T5p2 from the original?

What other headphone has comparable bass response to the T5p2?

Bass response is very much improved vs. the original version, having now a nice punch and more impact while remaining clean and deep reaching.

 

[plakat]

Could you please comment on the new T5p's qualities vis a vis classical music and acoustic jazz, if you happen to listen to them, compared to T1 or the previous T5p? And how far away are they from the T1 in detail, transparency and other key attributes, after accounting of course for the open vs closed back nature.

Many thanks!

I'm very sorry, but I did not find the time to compare the two 2. Gen. models with Classical or Jazz... normally I listen to these genres only on speakers, so its not an easy task. Without listening in depth I'd say I even prefer the T5p2 over the T1.2 as it has nicer sparkle in the treble and deeper reaching bass thats a bit more prominent (which bodes well with my headphone-preferred genres, i.e. various electronica).
I sold my old T5p some weeks ago, so I'd rather not try to go into any detailed comparison, but the new T5p is much more balanced with more even treble. So if the old one might present details very up front, the new one is maybe a bit less obvious in that regard. But my feeling is that it does not loose out on details, they are just put back in their place within the whole spectrum. Very enjoyable I have to say, really getting the hang of it with more listening.

 

[oelro]

When I read all the comments I think they can also talk about my AK T5p 

I have the feeling that the AK T5p was the prototype of the new generation.
At the next Vienna meeting I hope we will have time to compare and measure both with the help of Heinz. 

 

[batracom]

I'm very sorry, but I did not find the time to compare the two 2. Gen. models with Classical or Jazz... normally I listen to these genres only on speakers, so its not an easy task. Without listening in depth I'd say I even prefer the T5p2 over the T1.2 as it has nicer sparkle in the treble and deeper reaching bass thats a bit more prominent (which bodes well with my headphone-preferred genres, i.e. various electronica).
I sold my old T5p some weeks ago, so I'd rather not try to go into any detailed comparison, but the new T5p is much more balanced with more even treble. So if the old one might present details very up front, the new one is maybe a bit less obvious in that regard. But my feeling is that it does not loose out on details, they are just put back in their place within the whole spectrum. Very enjoyable I have to say, really getting the hang of it with more listening.

Thanks for your reply! I have gone the other way, from listening through speakers to headphones. My former setup is not very high end, so I get far more detail and synergy with headphones.

I am very intrigued by your progressive comments on the new T5p, and the lack of obvious flaws in them. Would you say they are worth the extra cost over DT1770?

 

[plakat]

Thanks for your reply! I have gone the other way, from listening through speakers to headphones. My former setup is not very high end, so I get far more detail and synergy with headphones.

I am very intrigued by your progressive comments on the new T5p, and the lack of obvious flaws in them. Would you say they are worth the extra cost over DT1770?

Thats hard to answer... I think the T5p does win with its more natural presentation of a soundstage and its slight elevation of the presence section is in line with expectations of audiophiles. Its easier to drive and allows for balanced operation just by exchanging the cable. I'd say the T5p2 has a bit less clamping force than the DT1770, so it might be more comfortable when wearing them for a longer period. The case is more compact, but still a bit on the large size (as are both headphones themselves).
 
I like both designs very much, maybe the all-black DT1770 has a slight edge. Personally I like single-sided cable entry and I use them single-ended (mostly with the Benchmark DAC2DX). Both are easily driven by the AK320, both would go much louder than I'm willing to listen to. Given the higher dynamic range of classical the T5p2 might be a bit better here, but I think there's still enough headroom even for the 250Ohm DT1770.
 
Given your preferences for Classical and Jazz I'm tempted to say go with the T5p2. The more natural spatial presentation might just be worth the difference...

 

[HiFiGuy528]

Hifiguy, better than the th900 of it didn't have a recessed midrange? come on, I'm ordering one or the other from you either way and possibly a wa7

 
T 5 p 2nd Gen is a LOT better than TH900... I am waiting to try TH900 MK2 to see if there are improvements.

 

[DoctaCosmos]

I read that the new th900 mk2 was going to be exact same everything except removable cords

 

[plakat]

I read that the new th900 mk2 was going to be exact same everything except removable cords

Thats what I heard as well... and I don't think the connectors look any good (visually not on par with the beautiful cups).
 
To me the TH900's amount of bass is fatiguing, which is why I seldom use them. The T5p2 is not, while still having nice bass.

 

[bavinck]

Thats what I heard as well... and I don't think the connectors look any good (visually not on par with the beautiful cups).
 
To me the TH900's amount of bass is fatiguing, which is why I seldom use them. The T5p2 is not, while still having nice bass.

 


I found the bass on the thx00 fatiguing, which is said to be a little less than the 900.