New Beyerdynamic T1 (2nd Generation)

[Lord Raven]

  No problem,
 
Uptone Regen: http://uptoneaudio.com/products/usb-regen
 
Intona USB isolator : http://intona.eu/en/products
 
Curious cable: http://www.curiouscables.com/
 
Sbooster liner power supply and Vbus isolator: https://www.sbooster.com/
 
Signal regenerator and reclockor is really a new trend yet big improvement since late 2015 but not many people pay attention while curious cable costs quite a lot as USB cable but really does the job and it's not placebo effect, and Sbooster linear supply is just an ace power supply agreed universally.
 
Hope my setup helps you to explore further.
 

 
Thank you, that is very expensive stuff. 
 
I have PC>2 dollar USB cable to DAC>2 dollar RCA cable to HP Amp>HD600 stock cable to the cans>T1 is ordered with stock cable
 
I just need LPS

 

[louisxiawei]

Yea, I agree. I pity my wallet a lot. I would suggest considering Uptone Regen-like product as 1st investment if you are interested. Considering the the ration of result/money you put. USB signal regenerator will benefit your setup as first shock impression.
 
Linear power supply will improve your DAC for sure considering every peny you spend but it still more expensive than Uptone Regen. The fact is: Uptone regen or Intona also provides a clean 5V power to the DAC if your DAC needs 5V input. So it is something like Signal integrity reclocker plus small 5V linear power supply.

 

[Lord Raven]

I tried to buy the Uptone couple of times but the wait time was a killer, and then the price. I want LPS first, but I think it is the other way, I should get regen first and then LPS. I am fighting recently acquired tinnitus, spending on audio hurts even more. 

 

[louisxiawei]

I live in UK ordered from their official website in the states. Wait for less than a week plus they are very thoughtful and declare the parcel to something low. So I escape the imported tax from the custom.
 
I know your feeling, but worth the hurting tears once when you listen to the new sweet sound and the tears by then will be out of joy.

 

[Lord Raven]

You know that there is no cure for tinnitus, safe listening.
 
I found a used item in FS section, I might give it a try if it works out. The last time I checked their website, wait time was over a month. I did not order, then I started looking at iFi, did not buy it either.
 
Why do some people sell it saying they did not like it's sound? LOL

 

[louisxiawei]

Either their DAC might be cheaper than the uptone regen or their motherboard of the PC is audiophile grade, good enough for filtering the upstream source. That's why you need good USB cable and linear power supply further.
 
Uptone regen is designed for PC integrated motherboard and generate a new data for the DAC. The poorer your PC motherboard is, the more significant improved difference will be found. That is why some people find that using audio-grade StoM PCIe board with Uptone regen, the improvement is relatively small.
 
Again, Uptone regen is an exciting introduction, while PCIe board is a lot hassle, you need to plug into your PC PCIe slot and install driver, tweak it. While uptone regen just simple plug and unplug device no matter you have a PCIe slot or not, and the system still can recognize your DAC.
 
Intona, Wyred RUR, IFI ipurifier and uptone regen are all similar. But think IFI is designed for matching their own brand products.

 

[Lord Raven]

I have HP DV6, which I don't think is audiophile grade because it has beats audio speakers LOL
 
PC- Curious cable - Intona USB isolator -- Sbooster Vbus2 -- Curious USB Cable -- Uptone Regen (powered by Sbooster BOTW linear power supply 6V) -- Sbooster Vbus2 -- Curious usb cable -- Arcam irDAC (powered by Sbooster BOTW linear power supply 12V)  - Atlas Equator MKIII Integra RCA cable - - Lehmann linear amplifier -- T1 2nd gerantion. 
 
Why do you have USB Isolator and then Upton Regen, are you using same power supply to power the regen, Intona and your DAC?
 
What is Vbus2? And how many curious cables are there? Also, I have a huge RCA cable, I need like a 0.2M cable, does a short cable help?
 
I have a Geek Pulse SFi feeding my tube amp Feliks - Elise.

 

[louisxiawei]

  I have HP DV6, which I don't think is audiophile grade because it has beats audio speakers LOL
 
PC- Curious cable - Intona USB isolator -- Sbooster Vbus2 -- Curious USB Cable -- Uptone Regen (powered by Sbooster BOTW linear power supply 6V) -- Sbooster Vbus2 -- Curious usb cable -- Arcam irDAC (powered by Sbooster BOTW linear power supply 12V)  - Atlas Equator MKIII Integra RCA cable - - Lehmann linear amplifier -- T1 2nd gerantion. 
 
Why do you have USB Isolator and then Upton Regen, are you using same power supply to power the regen, Intona and your DAC?
 
What is Vbus2? And how many curious cables are there? Also, I have a huge RCA cable, I need like a 0.2M cable, does a short cable help?
 
I have a Geek Pulse SFi feeding my tube amp Feliks - Elise.

1. Sbooster Vbus is a 5V USB power isolator. So Uptone regen and my DAC don't need 5V power supply from PC through USB, they are both self-powered. Thus, adding Vbus can cut the 5V power and provide clean data. Some dac needs 5V power like Chord 2QUTE, in that case, Vbus cannot be used before that kind of DAC.
2. Three curious cables in my system, since they are expensive, I bought one 0.8m, one 0.4m, and one 0.2m and Curious reommends that the shorter the usb cable the better the result will be.
3. So I'm using two linear power supplys to power the regen (5V LPSU) and my DAC (12V LPSU). Both power supplys are from Sbooster BOTW.
4. Intona doesn't need power supply unit, it needs 5V power from PC, thus I add directly after PC (That's why I didn't add Vbus after the PC, otherwise, no power for Intona)

 
In general, 2 linear powers supply, 3 curious cables, 2 Vbus isolator in my system. If I upgrade my DAC to Chord 2Qute in the future, then I will remove one Vbus before the dac in the chain and add another Sbooster Ultra working with power supply. 
 
I think you need T1 grade headphone to feel those change (big change, micro changes) and tonality. Because T1 is more difficult to be served compared to some warm toned headphone like HD600. 
 
That's why I post this setup in T1's thread because T1 is really sharp, harsh and bright in some setup and really hard to tune its sound to a sweet, soft, fluid tonality. 

 

[Lord Raven]

I think I got it
 
Do you have the Regen Amber or the old? What do you suggest in my system? I have HD600 atm, but T1 is coming soon.

 

[louisxiawei]

I have the amber, the new version. HD600 is a good reference headphone. Personally think HD600 is much easier to be served than T1. e.g. spending less money to reach it's maximum performance and I do feel that HD600 might let you enjoy the music itself more through long time listening. 
 
T1 is a challenge to the ear. those details, dynamic, presence is just another league for being shocked and WOW. Since it's difficult to be tuned by other equipment to have different sounding character, that's why so many people discussing here about their different setup for these Summit-Fi headphone.
 
I would suggest, if you have T1 at the end of your chain. You just have an ultimate test beast for all the other equipment you might upgrade in the future. Because when you mention you are testing with T1, I will believe that you have the stuff to prove what you said is somehow trustworthy. 
 
With HD600, you can just enjoy the music more, but with all the other upgrade, they might just be an overkill for it. 
 
Using PC as source, lots of potential can be optimized. It's somehow trying to reach the effect from the Vinyl turntable as source. As I hate Vinyl turntable, I will just keep watching the trend of PC related USB chain audio equipment.
 
If you can live without PC but still hate Vinyl, then micro Rendu will be another choice. 

 

[Lord Raven]

Buying T1 is already very heavy on my pocket. I only heard it once, luckily the guy had the same tube amp I got, that's when I decided about T1 It feels like a big mistake now though lol

Thank you so much. I'll keep upgrades step by step. First thing Regen Amber, LPS, then USB cables, RCA cable, for me it is going to be enough.

I have a Focal Utopia, I love lively music, I'll love T1 And will keep bugging you for computer audio chain upgrades..

 

[louisxiawei]

Buying T1 is already very heavy on my pocket. I only heard it once, luckily the guy had the same tube amp I got, that's when I decided about T1

It feels like a big mistake now though lol

Thank you so much. I'll keep upgrades step by step. First thing Regen Amber, LPS, then USB cables, RCA cable, for me it is going to be enough.

I have a Focal Utopia, I love lively music, I'll love T1

And will keep bugging you for computer audio chain upgrades..

LOL, you mean Focal Utopia speaker? Respect! If I buy Focal Utopia, I will be broken instantly. Speaker will be another hell of story.
 
Anyway, always glad to help.

 

[Lord Raven]

LOL, you mean Focal Utopia speaker? Respect! If I buy Focal Utopia, I will be broken instantly. Speaker will be another hell of story.

Anyway, always glad to help.

Yes I mean 3 way Focal Utopia, actively amplified 7 channels, 4 amplifiers and a DSP

Nothing compares to that lol

 

[moriez]

  Hmm I remember writing up a short summary  somewhere let me find it haha.

 
Anything on this yet?

 

[thatonenoob]

   
Anything on this yet?

Sorry been so busy as of late- haven't had the chance to be as active as I would like.
 
Anyways, here's a brief summary.  Couldn't find the darned post as I would've liked.  So I'm gonna try and sum it up here.
 
0 to 3000-4000: The original "T1" sound.  Compared to my late run T1, I have to say it sounds thinner, and the highs definitely more pronounced.  Take note that I had the opportunity to audition these various times, but only in a public setting.  I can't quite imagine how it would sound in quiet setting.  May be even more intense than before.  However, it is easy to see why some would favor these.  Also faced with some interesting manufacturing issues -driver matching, etc.
 
The "major" retune happened around here.  
 
10000: Part-Time audiophile reported flabby bass in a unit tested here.  This would correspond with complaints of T1 bass being uncontrolled at times.  There are definitely a couple of those going around.
 
A minor retune happened around here.  
 
20000: Coming close to the final T1.1 sound.  It's a refined headphone at this point, and there is really no "shrillness" to the highs (though slight sibilance does come around at times).  It has the so-called "traditional" hi-fi sound (I use this term lazily) and is very, very listenable.  I would think that had this been the sound at release, the T1 wouldn't quite have gotten its bad press.
 
21321: w00t
 
23000: Gen 2 baffles started being introduced into the T1.  Drivers supposedly the same.  I find this interesting as it would indicate that there was some hesitation as to whether the T1.2 should've been a new standalone product. Perhaps the T1.2 was a reactionary move to the HD800s but this is pure speculation. 
 
Along the way, physical changes etc. were reported.  Part of why it is also difficult to pin all this down, is the unit-to-unit QC problems that have been reported here and there.  Throw these two into the mix and it's really hard to find a "definitive" T1.