Neumann NDH 30

[SHAMuuu]

Very tempted to just buy it. I do have 5 headphones of different types already, LOL. I wasn't a huge fan of the NDH20, but I'm guessing the black edition has learnt from the NDH30.

Sorry for double post

In the same video above, he said in some research, when a headphone is painted silver, there is more perceived treble (in context of sharpness) vs painted black. Too lazy to see exactly where he said it, but it's there!

Whether it is the color silver or the concept of silver "metallic" perhaps should be looked into more .... silver color, silver cables ... hmm

 

[Hifiearspeakers]

Transducer area is not necessarily a predictor of bass quality/quantity. Precide's Jecklin Float Electrostatic had a huge transducer and no bass at all.

The lack of bass on most e-stats is because of their technology, not transducer size. @SHAMuuu is correct. A larger diaphragm absolutely has greater potential to produce bass.

But you’re moving the goalposts by invoking estat technology and conflating it with planars or dynamics. Estats struggle with excursion, that’s why they struggle with bass punch. Dynamics are capable of the most excursion, but their size is limited by modal breakup. Planars tend to have less excursion but much greater surface area, which is why many of them can go all the way down to 20hz with no roll off. That is nearly impossible for most open back dynamics.

 

[ThEvil0nE]

Sorry for double post

In the same video above, he said in some research, when a headphone is painted silver, there is more perceived treble (in context of sharpness) vs painted black. Too lazy to see exactly where he said it, but it's there!

Whether it is the color silver or the concept of silver "metallic" perhaps should be looked into more .... silver color, silver cables ... hmm

That's entering illuminati territory lol

 

[SHAMuuu]

That's entering illuminati territory lol

 

[SHAMuuu]

Can colors influence loudness?​

Daniel Menzel - menzel@tum.de
Elias Faccinelli
Hugo Fastl

AG Technische Akustik
Lehrstuhl für Mensch Maschine Kommunikation
Technische Universität München
Arcisstraße 21, 80333 München

Popular version of paper 2aPPa15
Presented Tuesday afternoon, July 1, 2008
Acoustics’08, Paris, France

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Effect of vehicle color​

To investigate if different images can influence how loud a sound is perceived, an experiment was performed using pictures of sports cars in various colors. The task of the subjects was to listen to sounds of an accelerating sports car while looking at the picture of a red (R), light-green (G), blue (B), or dark-green (DG) sports car (see Fig. 1). After each sound, they had to rate how loud they thought the car was by giving a corresponding number.


The sounds were presented with four different levels (90, 86, 82, and 78dB(A)) to make it harder for the subjects to remember which sounds they already heard. Sixteen subjects participated in this experiment, which was split in two sessions.

Fig. 2 shows the results of this experiment. The numbers which were given by the subjects were first normalized so that the perceived loudness of the dark-green car combined with the loudest sound (90dB(A)) corresponds to 1 (100%). In most cases, red cars seemed louder than blue or light-green cars for the same sound. For the loudest sound in session 1 for example, the sound associated with the red car was perceived as being approximately 5% louder than the same sound combined with a light-green car. Dark green also seems to elicit somewhat higher loudness ratings than light green or blue.

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*** Conclusion​

In this study, different colors showed the ability to influence how subjects rated the loudness of sports cars. Red cars were perceived as being louder than light-green or blue cars. This confirms the results of previous experiments, in which red passenger trains also seemed louder than green passenger trains

 

[chesebert]

One of the biggest external influences to someone‘s perception of sound is the cost of gear and the other is external construction/weight (for electronics).

Back to NDH30, we can wait for others to chime in but I think NDH30 is a notch above Focal Clear in technical (obviously not in sound profile). I don’t have Nutopia so I can’t give any A/B and it’s probably not gonna be received well if I compare the two using my listening notes.

 

[SHAMuuu]

One of the biggest external influences to someone‘s perception of sound is the cost of gear and the other is external construction/weight (for electronics).

 

[chesebert]

expensive, check. Heavy AF, check. HE-1 is very good but not as amazing as people make it out to be. It certainly didn’t make me cry because the dealer won‘t let me connect a real dac and I was forced to use the weak internal dac.

 

[sebiambrus]

I listened several times to the He1 in local hifi shows, next to the hdv820/HD800S, and I can NOT understand the hype for them( Also ,first time, my 2 friends who came with me shared the same experience because we were hyped asfck to listen to HE1. ). The HE 1 is only better tonally (?), But the soundstage and layering is obviously better on HD800S. I think detail retrieval is almost the same. I can't say which is more detailed. The HD800S gives more technical analytical sound . I prefered the hd800S to acoustic and classical . The HE1 way more bass is more suitable for bassy genres. The transient speed is also not obviously better on he1 regard it is estat driver vs the dynamic driver. It has the same kind of Sennheiser sound sig. I do not want to shatter dreams but IMHO the he 1 is WAAY overpriced and gives the same technical as hd800S but with better tonality (for the crowds). Your choice and wallet is the deciding factor. obviously if you are a millionaire go for the he1. Anyway it is not a big deal, do not trust the hype for them, and do not trust big headphone reviewers , they no1 purpose to make money, instead go listen yourself .

 

[maegnificant]

Can colors influence loudness?​

Daniel Menzel - menzel@tum.de
Elias Faccinelli
Hugo Fastl

AG Technische Akustik
Lehrstuhl für Mensch Maschine Kommunikation
Technische Universität München
Arcisstraße 21, 80333 München

Popular version of paper 2aPPa15
Presented Tuesday afternoon, July 1, 2008
Acoustics’08, Paris, France

​

Effect of vehicle color​

To investigate if different images can influence how loud a sound is perceived, an experiment was performed using pictures of sports cars in various colors. The task of the subjects was to listen to sounds of an accelerating sports car while looking at the picture of a red (R), light-green (G), blue (B), or dark-green (DG) sports car (see Fig. 1). After each sound, they had to rate how loud they thought the car was by giving a corresponding number.


The sounds were presented with four different levels (90, 86, 82, and 78dB(A)) to make it harder for the subjects to remember which sounds they already heard. Sixteen subjects participated in this experiment, which was split in two sessions.

Fig. 2 shows the results of this experiment. The numbers which were given by the subjects were first normalized so that the perceived loudness of the dark-green car combined with the loudest sound (90dB(A)) corresponds to 1 (100%). In most cases, red cars seemed louder than blue or light-green cars for the same sound. For the loudest sound in session 1 for example, the sound associated with the red car was perceived as being approximately 5% louder than the same sound combined with a light-green car. Dark green also seems to elicit somewhat higher loudness ratings than light green or blue.

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*** Conclusion​

In this study, different colors showed the ability to influence how subjects rated the loudness of sports cars. Red cars were perceived as being louder than light-green or blue cars. This confirms the results of previous experiments, in which red passenger trains also seemed louder than green passenger trains

That's really funny to me. I love these reminders to our collective (in)sanity

 

[headstef]

Observing some recent scepticism/suspicion/disturbance for the NDH 30 and its presence in the HD-660S2 thread (e.g. by @SHAMuuu but others too), I would like to share a thought. I think that what disturbs the most is not the continuous popping of the NDH 30 in the HD-660S2 thread. It all starts with its price. People feel that it is highly unlikely that a $640 headphone can sound as good as described by its "fans" (=almost everyone that really listened to it, according to the two threads). Also, most of

That's really funny to me. I love these reminders to our collective (in)sanity

It seems that some combinations of optical and acoustical stimulations can also produce illusions. Just as optical only or acoustical only stimulations can do, with effects that can be very obvious or dramatic. Our brain is a funny thing!

 

[indigogo]

Size? And why then did nature make a small eardrum and not for the entire head area ???))) Nature probably does not understand anything in modern high technologies ???)))

It's not the size of the driver that matters. The thickness and quality of the driver is important - comparable to the thickness and size of the eardrum. Correct driver size, distance and position from the ear and eardrum is important. Placement and angle in relation to the ear and eardrum is important.
The size and shape of the headphone housing and the position of the driver in this housing are important. Acoustic treatment on the inside of the case. Нousing bandwidth and air pressure no more and no less regulated by the reverse open side - important.
All this is important down to the millimeter.
And all this is perfectly implemented in the DH 30 at the highest level! ! !
This is all that manufacturers of high-tech planar and electrostatic headphones do not understand))) Or they understand, but greed for money, stupid marketing and stupid consumer demands do not give them the opportunity to realize this)))

Overhead headphones are not IEM where the sound bypasses the anatomy of the ear and penetrates immediately into the canal to the eardrum)))
In over-ear headphones, the sound goes in all directions at once with different strengths. It passes through the anatomy of the ear (this is very important) and then into the auditory canal to the eardrum. Sound surrounds the ear, some bounces off the head part and then reaches the ear. For this reason, the correct physiological housing design and precise size and thickness of the driver is so important, its location and direction and so on..
You can't just place huge drivers, even "high-tech" ones - just in front of your ear - it's so stupid and stupid!!!

And once again - no deep, strong or any other bass!!! There is an exact and not exact bass! This is the only possible definition of bass - all other variations exist only in your imagination!))))))

 

[indigogo]

Very tempted to just buy it. I do have 5 headphones of different types already, LOL. I wasn't a huge fan of the NDH20, but I'm guessing the black edition has learnt from the NDH30.

Yes, that's right - but I think they have learned more and will soon give us real closed headphones

 

[Not so fat head]

It's enough for me that the NDH30 make the most accurate and correct sound today of all headphones known today.

And what is so special about the D8000?))) It seems that all other headphones do - they make a sound, but not as accurate as the NDH30)))
Yes - the D8000s look sexier and more modern - but that's not about the sound. And you won’t go to bed with them - it’s not a woman)))
All these senseless technologies are just an excuse to take as much money as possible from the buyer)))

It's normal - everyone is in deceptive illusions until they hear the NDH30 on professional equipment and compare them with other, several times expensive headphones)

For the first time hearing NDH 30 is like sobering up and recovering after a long and tiring b

My reference for sound is string quartets. I worked for a large company in the 80's and 90's, which had an internal group of musicians. I've heard them play many quartets by the best composers and will never forget the LIVE sound of string instruments... Nothing came as close to my stax sigma's headphone.. I'm sure the latest stax are even better, and I will eventually buy one.

 

[Mike F]

Jecklyn Float ... no idea... wish I could hear one someday though

Trust me, you don't!