my extremely short dt880 v. hd650 review

Mar 28, 2005 at 7:02 PM Post #46 of 78
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Originally Posted by Andrea
I deem the DT880 slightly bass lean and treble heavy, resulting in the electrostatic-like feeling of openness -- unfortunately I do without having yet managed to hear it, you know. Following on the speculative line, I think of the HD650 as having a "mature" balance, and the DT880 as having a "lively" balance. Perfectly Headroom-like.


I would think that hearing the DT880 would be a requisite for judgment.

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Mar 28, 2005 at 7:07 PM Post #47 of 78
Ditto Jensl!!

The bass is first-class. I agree about the mid-bass hump - especially on the 650s. This is why I prefer bass of 595 over 650 - even though it is much leaner and doesn't go as low. 880 is somewhat 595-lean, but with much better impact on low-end if your music has it. IMO, it allows the mids to come through with more clarity.

Ok, ok... That's it from me regarding the 880. :-) It's just that when I find something this good, I just want to spread the word and hope others can experience the same joy.

One last thing! As an analytical fellow at heart, it was easy for me to listen to 595 and 650, read the Headroom reviews about the 880, then reason about how I think the 880s should sound in comparison. Now having listened to them, I try not to do as much theorizing. But darn it, no one's got the set of amps I want to demo before purchase...
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 7:08 PM Post #48 of 78
I've used both the dt880 and hd650, and I prefer the latter. I found the dt880 kinda dry and analytical w/ low-end ss amps, (i.e. pimeta), but synergize fairly well with tubes (i.e. mg-head). I've never tried the HD650 w/ tubes, so I don't know how it may fair, but I suspect it to do well.

For the price and in the right setup, the dt880 is great phone. But I'm not too fond of the forward-ish treble.

As for build, I think I could literally take the dt880 and smash the 650 into pieces. the vice versa may take more tries/force. But the 650 is more snug on my head, the 880's cups are completely circular, so I kept losed positioning if I moved my head. IIRC, the 880 didn't creak as much.

Also, silver beats green.
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 7:26 PM Post #49 of 78
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Originally Posted by Bill Ward
I would think that hearing the DT880 would be a requisite for judgment.

BW



Regardless, did I state it wrong ? Anyway, I only intended to 'support' the merits of the 650, rather than 'compromise' the DT880 which would be hilarious, since, I concur, hearing would be a requisite for judgement.
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Oh, and not to betray my other fresh faith,
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the HD595 I think is another worthy fighter in this battle field.
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Mar 28, 2005 at 7:40 PM Post #50 of 78
The bass on my DT880's is strong enough going even into the very low region and that without interfering with other ferquencies. Haven't heard the 650's but If bass is more prominant in the 650's I think it overpowers the highs. I think that Sennheiser might be the better can but not by that much. Also there are different tastes in headphones Sennheiser, Beyers, Grado etc.
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 8:18 PM Post #51 of 78
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Originally Posted by txa
This is why I prefer bass of 595 over 650 - even though it is much leaner and doesn't go as low.


Gotta disagree on this. 595 bass does go very low, but lost the impact or punch to 580/6x0 - which made them perceivedly lean.

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Originally Posted by Kirosia
As for build, I think I could literally take the dt880 and smash the 650 into pieces. the vice versa may take more tries/force.


Kirosia, what movie did you last see ?
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Mar 28, 2005 at 8:33 PM Post #52 of 78
Although the DT 880 doesn't change its character as much as the HD 650 with break-in, «over a dozen hours» is by far not enough to hear its true potential. Give it 150 hours before making a judgement. That's not to say the sonic balance will alter noticeably*, but it sure will do better what it does now.

That said, the HD 650 was the reason to sell my DT 880, which I really liked during the time I had it. As others have stated, both headphones share some similarities, and to my ears the HD 650 is better in most criteria and as a whole the clearly better, more accurate and musical headphone. The only thing the DT 880 does better (IMO) is bass extension. It has the flatter bass response, thus less drop-off with ultra-low frequencies. At the same time it also has a leaner, less «breathing» and less impactful bass. The DT 880 doesn't have a completely open back, and I'm quite sure the relatively small vent in the center of its rear to let the soundwaves escape doesn't allow a similar effortlessness and airiness in the lows as the fully open HD 650 shows. Nevertheless, the DT 880's bass has great definition and accuracy, it just lacks the impact, cleanness and naturalness of the HD 650's. Talking of the latter's «mid-bass hump»: This phenomenon which is quite prominent with a new unit disappears more or less with driver break-in and headband loosening. Although I agree that the DT 880 still shows the flatter bass response, but at the price of less atmosphere and naturalness.

The midrange is excellent with both phones, smooth and liquid -- I don't understand the comments about the Beyer's «dryness» --, just that the DT 880's appeared as a bit recessed because of the dominating treble. The DT 880 is the first headphone with the latter feature that I liked and could listen to without fatiguing. It's smooth and resolving and extremely extended. After owning the HD 650 for a while I must concede: a bit too extended -- too sharp to be absolutely natural -- for my taste. The HD 650 in comparison has a silky-smooth, sweet and at the same time very focussed and accurate treble with even better resolution. With the right setup, it's hard to beat when it comes to reproduce the natural sonic colors of a classical orchestra. I never got the same authenticity with the DT 880, although it was really enjoyable and musically convincing with classical music. It may show greater detail than the HD 650 because of its outstanding treble, which may (or may not) be favorable for other genres, but the HD 650 has the clearly better resolution. IMO it's a class above the DT 880.

But keep in mind that the HD 650 is «harder to drive» (to use a common wording) than the DT 880, despite its higher efficiency. The reason is that it's sonically demanding. Because of its flat frequency response, it may sound dull or uninvolving in some setups. And a good aftermarket cable is mandatory to get the best out of it (as much as some may hate this statement), which raises the costs considerably.

* [edit:] Actually the sonic balance will change quite a bit to less brightness and fuller bass with worn-in earpads which allow the drivers to get closer to the ears (= exactly the reversed effect of the HD 650's headband loosening). But it takes at least 500 hours for this.

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Mar 28, 2005 at 8:42 PM Post #53 of 78
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Originally Posted by Andrea
txa, thank you for your $.02
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, but on a specific fact I disagree.
The 650 is hard to be bested for neutrality - since its response is already extremely flat and smooth and 'integrated'.

I deem the DT880 slightly bass lean and treble heavy, resulting in the electrostatic-like feeling of openness -- unfortunately I do without having yet managed to hear it, you know. Following on the speculative line, I think of the HD650 as having a "mature" balance, and the DT880 as having a "lively" balance. Perfectly Headroom-like.
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Edit: I disagree a bit more strongly on your statement that the DT880 would have the most neutral ("natural", I prefer) midrange among the 650, 595, 880. I would bet it's the 650 to take this prize.



you really need to stop making comment on phones that you have never heard. It makes anything you say null and void.
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 10:18 PM Post #54 of 78
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Originally Posted by eastside504
you really need to stop making comment on phones that you have never heard. It makes anything you say null and void.


I would agree with eastside. I don't see how you can "deem" anything if you haven't heard them.
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 10:32 PM Post #55 of 78
Something that seems invariably lost in discussions such as this one is that the single factor which most influences our reaction to a headphone is our individual hearing, not the upstream equipment.

For example, a headphone that sounds ideal to the average sixty year old would sound unacceptably bright to a typical twenty year old owing to the natural roll-off in our perception of higher frequencies as we age. Conversely, the younger person's perfect 'phone would probably sound dull to the geezer set (of which I happen to be a charter member).

In many cases, knowing the age of the reviewer might be far more informative than learning the type of amp s/he used.

Maybe we should have a Team Geezer!
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(Or not.)
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 10:51 PM Post #56 of 78
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Originally Posted by Spad
In many cases, knowing the age of the reviewer might be far more informative than learning the type of amp s/he used.

Maybe we should have a Team Geezer!
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or team "one foot in the grave"...
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Mar 28, 2005 at 10:54 PM Post #57 of 78
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spad
Something that seems invariably lost in discussions such as this one is that the single factor which most influences our reaction to a headphone is our individual hearing, not the upstream equipment.

For example, a headphone that sounds ideal to the average sixty year old would sound unacceptably bright to a typical twenty year old owing to the natural roll-off in our perception of higher frequencies as we age. Conversely, the younger person's perfect 'phone would probably sound dull to the geezer set (of which I happen to be a charter member).

In many cases, knowing the age of the reviewer might be far more informative than learning the type of amp s/he used.

Maybe we should have a Team Geezer!
k1000smile.gif


(Or not.)



Excellent post! It seems most people do not think about this.

Now, about the Beyers, I have a question. Do they need an amp or would they be a good choice for someone, like me, who does a lot of listening from a reciever jack and while on the move about the house with a Zen Xtra?
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 11:08 PM Post #58 of 78
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Originally Posted by Max Minimum
Excellent post! It seems most people do not think about this.

Now, about the Beyers, I have a question. Do they need an amp or would they be a good choice for someone, like me, who does a lot of listening from a reciever jack and while on the move about the house with a Zen Xtra?



The DT880s really need a strong amp.
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 11:13 PM Post #59 of 78
IME dt880 nor the hd650 are portable friendly, both sonic-wise and size.
 
Mar 28, 2005 at 11:38 PM Post #60 of 78
I've had my DT880 for about a year and only recently tried them out of my portables without a dedicated amp and frankly I'm rather surprised how well it does sound directly out of my Zen Xtra or Meizu ME. With the volume cranked up almost to max it does pretty well. Sure the bass is more bloated, the treble lacks some sparkle and refinement and the soundstage is smaller, but still it sounds better than my portable headphones. I certainly wouldn't recommend someone to get the DT880 as a portable solution for a bundle of reasons, but if you already have it, it works fine for home-portable use while cleaning up the apartment, doing the laundry etc. Just expect a considerably shorter time out of your batteries.
 

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