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[balzucker812]

Did you tried it making an a b a b test plugging and unplugging two different cables on a music segment of 20 sec

You can only notice the differences in a specific moment and concentrating on some details doing ab ab

If you have for example that item Sony at you house with a cheap cable and the the day after you go to a shop and try the same Sony with a better cable, you can't remember how your Sony played without that cable.


Instead if you have done ab ab test on specific segment of tracks in a quiet place and you didn't notice nothing, you don't have good ears or that cable was only a trick... It exists a lot of brands of cable maker that think only to the appearance of the cable ( mixing many colours, for example) just to satisfy the need to research a specific look of some dandy people.

I used Sony z1r stock and then switched to the expensive cable, absolutely no difference except that the expensive cable actually fit better because it was more flexible at the earhooks. And how is tuning a cable done? Only way I can think of is if a cable maker intentionally makes a cable really high impedance, which, you can get an impedance adapter to use on any cable

 

[Or1onSLi]

I used Sony z1r stock and then switched to the expensive cable, absolutely no difference except that the expensive cable actually fit better because it was more flexible at the earhooks. And how is tuning a cable done? Only way I can think of is if a cable maker intentionally makes a cable really high impedance, which, you can get an impedance adapter to use on any cable

Expensive cable doesn’t always mean better cable. Furukawa copper cables vs good OFC cables if the number of strands is the same and the treatment is the same can virtually be the same…but you pay a lot more because the raw material used is way more expensive. If you don’t feel comfortable with that amount of money you can still buy great cables, which would give the desired effect, by picking up something with the same type of build but less rare source material.

The difference between a £100 cable and a £400 furukawa cable with the same composition is in the cost of the material…and you will not hear massive differences…with some headphones you will hear not difference at all.

Ear tips and source are far more impactful on the final sound. If your amp is fully balanced checking that the SE connection is powerful enough for your IEM (for example) is more important, a cheap balanced cable might help you listen to the full potential of the IEM more than a £350 SE cable, because the problem is with the source.

 

[balzucker812]

Expensive cable doesn’t always mean better cable. Furukawa copper cables vs good OFC cables if the number of strands is the same and the treatment is the same can virtually be the same…but you pay a lot more because the raw material used is way more expensive. If you don’t feel comfortable with that amount of money you can still buy great cables, which would give the desired effect, by picking up something with the same type of build but less rare source material.

The difference between a £100 cable and a £400 furukawa cable with the same composition is in the cost of the material…and you will not hear massive differences…with some headphones you will hear not difference at all.

Ear tips and source are far more impactful on the final sound. If your amp is fully balanced checking that the SE connection is powerful enough for your IEM (for example) is more important, a cheap balanced cable might help you listen to the full potential of the IEM more than a £350 SE cable, because the problem is with the source.

so the source material is what changes the sound? look i dont believe 99 percent of cables have any significant effect on sound.

 

[Or1onSLi]

so the source material is what changes the sound? look i dont believe 99 percent of cables have any significant effect on sound.

Source material and source device have the biggest impact. Tips have the biggest impact on perception of treble/bass because they change phisically how sound waves enter the ear canal. Cables, as long as they are of a certain thickness and material choices won’t impact much. One thing that is sure is that cables won’t change the sound signature of the IEM…that would require cables as thick as a rope, which is not feasible in the headgear context.

 

[balzucker812]

Source material and source device have the biggest impact. Tips have the biggest impact on perception of treble/bass because they change phisically how sound waves enter the ear canal. Cables, as long as they are of a certain thickness and material choices won’t impact much. One thing that is sure is that cables won’t change the sound signature of the IEM…that would require cables as thick as a rope, which is not feasible in the headgear context.

Ohh I thought you meant source material as in the source material of the cable (I'm dumb) yeah I have seen that vid where Joshua tests that thick copper cable

 

[Or1onSLi]

Ohh I thought you meant source material as in the source material of the cable (I'm dumb) yeah I have seen that vid where Joshua tests that thick copper cable

All cables are copper or silver plated copper. I usually prefer silver plated copper because plated cables have often better shielding as well and are nicer to look at.
8 strands are usually top notch but I would say that the shielding of the cable is more important than the number of strands. Usually all the 4+ strands cables are fine. Over £100 quid you will pay if it’s a particular type of sourced copper or not but that won’t impact sound that much. It becomes jewelry, pretty much.

 

[Or1onSLi]

There are some platinum cables but I really never heard about any real advantage in these…

 

[Max Watts]

so the source material is what changes the sound? look i dont believe 99 percent of cables have any significant effect on sound.

Good. Keep learning and discovering...

 

[balzucker812]

Good. Keep learning and discovering...

Yeah, in what way do you find cables change sound? Do the numbers of cores matter? The braid? Is copper brighter than copper plated silver or is it the other way round? Do gold plated jacks sound more detailed? Can you tell me? I really want to know because I haven't heard any difference

 

[Or1onSLi]

Yeah, in what way do you find cables change sound? Do the numbers of cores matter? The braid? Is copper brighter than copper plated silver or is it the other way round? Do gold plated jacks sound more detailed? Can you tell me? I really want to know because I haven't heard any difference

Gold plating in the connectors slows oxidation and makes them more reliable over time.

Silver plating is said to brighten the sound, but it’s not universally true.

 

[Max Watts]

Yeah, in what way do you find cables change sound? Do the numbers of cores matter? The braid? Is copper brighter than copper plated silver or is it the other way round? Do gold plated jacks sound more detailed? Can you tell me? I really want to know because I haven't heard any difference

Hi. Let me tell you what I know.

To start:

Balanced connection, on average, sounds about 10% better.
You get quiter background - more finer details can be heard. You get wider soundstage. Read up on it, it is interesting subject. You also get more power per channel, usually results in louder sound. It depends on how much performance you want to squeeze out of these.

 

[Max Watts]

Yeah, in what way do you find cables change sound? Do the numbers of cores matter? The braid? Is copper brighter than copper plated silver or is it the other way round? Do gold plated jacks sound more detailed? Can you tell me? I really want to know because I haven't heard any difference

Best Cable for anything would be all-silver Cable.
Second best would be high purity all-copper Cable.
Third best would be silver plated copper Cable.

Because Silver is the best conductor, with least resistance. Copper is 7% less conductive. Any resistance causes signal loss. On top of that, Silver conducts high frequencies better, showing more detail.

Silver plated copper is not used by "purist" audiophiles on hi-end speakers Cables because signal travels at different speed in different metals, which can result in imbalance. But sometimes, it is a good match.

You could make it sound a touch more "polished" and refined by cryogenically treating it.

 

[balzucker812]

Best Cable for anything would be all-silver Cable.
Second best would be high purity all-copper Cable.
Third best would be silver plated copper Cable.

Because Silver is the best conductor, with least resistance. Copper is 7% less conductive. Any resistance causes signal loss. On top of that, Silver conducts high frequencies better, showing more detail.

Silver plated copper is not used by "purist" audiophiles on hi-end speakers Cables because signal travels at different speed in different metals, which can result in imbalance. But sometimes, it is a good match.

You could make it sound a touch more "polished" and refined by cryogenically treating it.

Would that 7% less conductivity affect an item? Iem cables are usually 1 - 1.2 meters long and at that point the differences in conductivity would be tiny. Again, I doubt the difference of signal speed through certain materials really matter, I have no idea about speakers, but with iems the difference would be tiny. And the biggest question I have is why would you buy a $300 cable if you can buy a $300 iem? An iem would affect the sound much more than a cable because it's the transducer. Why would you buy effect audio centurion ($5000) if you can get Sony ier z1r, focal utopia (edit:utopia is 4000 buts it's less than 5000), senny hd800s, anole vx or elysian annihilator for just over half to just over a third of the price of the centurion?

 

[Max Watts]

Yeah, in what way do you find cables change sound? Do the numbers of cores matter? The braid? Is copper brighter than copper plated silver or is it the other way round? Do gold plated jacks sound more detailed? Can you tell me? I really want to know because I haven't heard any difference

All-Silver Cables are the best: highest conductivity of Silver means minimum signal loss due to resistance. Silver shows all there is: best bass, mids and highs.

All-Copper Cables are good for bass, mids but there is loss in details in high frequencies. Copper Cable can tame bright IEMs.

Intersting fact: signal travels on the surface of a cunductor.

"When a signal travels through a conductor, it primarily travels on the surface of the conductor, especially at high frequencies, due to a phenomenon called the "skin effect," where the electromagnetic field generated by the signal concentrates near the conductor's outer layer, causing most of the current to flow on the surface".

By plating Copper Cable with Silver you get the benefits of Silver Cables (more details) at fraction of the cost.

Gold is not very good conductor, not as good as Copper or Silver, but it is used to plate Plugs and Connectors Pins because it is more durable than Silver and does not oxidize or tarnish.

Best material for Plugs is OFC. Second best TeCu. Third is Brass. I would argue that best Plugs are Silver-Plated OFC.

There are no OFC Connector Pins (0.78mm) because it is about 10-13% softer than TeCu or even Brass.

Twisting Hot and Cold wires results in magnetic fields induced with signal travelling through them to be cancelled out. Less signal loss. Essentially a form of shielding.

Braiding is sophisticated version of that, just with more conductors - to cancel out EMI caused by signal going through them. Twisted / Braided Cables sound "cleaner" because less signal is lost.

Real Shielding is done by putting Braided Copper tubing over conductors (96% of external EMI shielded) or covering conductor with Aluminum Tape (100% shielding). This is tricky, because it requires proper grounding - otherwise you just adding an EMI antenna.

Cryogenic Treatment changes molecular structure of the metal, minimizes number of boundaries between molecules which makes signal path smoother, with less resistance. It is also done to remove any residual sterss in metal. Sound usually is "smoother" or more "polished".

Look up:

OCC Copper
Cryogenic Treatment of Audio Cables

 

[mikoel]

Listened for about 3h - no pain or fatigue.

Very satisfying and promising sound straight out of the box - impressive. Bass slaps, solid mid range and a lot of details in highs. Handles heavy bass tracks with crisp percussion in the background - no mixing.

Stock Cable is impressively good sounding; looks amazing (zoom in!) with chunky multiple smaller cores; great hardware; very high quality; comfortable.

Tested with 32/384 Ultra Hi-Res tracks with very heavy bass and a lot of percussion simultaneously - these do not stutter, very smooth sound; clear; crisp.

100% there is more than enough bass - I would not call these lacking in bass in any way.

Can already recommend for Electronic music.

Happy.

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