Meze EMPYREAN - the First Isodynamic Hybrid Array Headphone

Apr 26, 2021 at 5:30 AM Post #9,736 of 13,274
Actually, my Topping DX7 Pro has been pretty solid for me too for somewhat of a budget AIO DAC/Amp, not bad to get started, I think. Honestly, as I listen to my Empys more and more, when I think about eventually about upgrading DAC/Amp, I'm honestly lost on how to move forward at this time, at least partially because the different pads provided leave me completely spoilt for choice, and there's really two potentially diverging paths based purely on what pads you want to primarily use, in my view. It is really like having two different headphones.

With my library and chain, at least, I increasingly find myself drawn to the Alcantara pads. They're just very even handed and versatile, and since the Empys/my brain have burned in, they sound both more natural and also resolving in general. At first, to my ears, the Alcantara pads simply sounded dull and cold. But now, they just sound effortless, airy, the soundstage is larger, separation is better, details are easier to pick out. The Alcantaras are the intellectual choice, in my view.

In simple terms, I find that if the recording is not the best, the Alcantara pads are going to be more forgiving. Conversely, if the music is really busy and has some pace (from Dizzy Gillespie to Ride the Lightning era Metallica), the Alcantaras are going to provide a better, more cohesive presentation. On my chain, in some scenarios, the leather pads may struggle to keep up. Using High Gain on the DX7 pro, I also find that the bass gets boomy and harder to control with the leather pads. That may possibly be fixed by better amplification, but perhaps not.

The leather pads- how to describe it? Vivid. Perhaps like romantic fine dining, just a few morsels at a time to be polite to your date (and in acknowledgement of the size of the eventual bill)? But if the food and company are so perfect, who wants to be polite? :) So the volume goes up, and it can all become fatiguing, at least for me. Some self control is in order for longer listening sessions. However, they definitely have a place. I have stated before and will repeat again, female vocals are unbelievable to me with the leather pads. Every time I hear Tori Amos, Siouxsie Sioux, Billie Holiday, etc, with the Alcantaras, I know, deep in my heart, the leather pads just have to take their rightful place on the Empyreans. Literally hair-raising.

I was more or less set on saving up for a Qutest/GSX-Mini or TT2 and then eventual M Scaler and just eschewing more intermediate upgrades along the way, but it seems to me that a fair number of people have tried and bailed on the Chord products with their Empyreans. The Burson products seem to be very well regarded around here, and would definitely save me some money. What about the Benchmark HPA4, as I do like the AIO concept given my limited desk space? At any rate, I'm up to about page 550 on this thread, and have been taking notes, thanks to all who have contributed!
Hi, I did not try Chord, but I invested in the Ayre QB-9 Twenty. I did not compare it to anything. But I can give the review. I have no complaints. Twenty is an upgrade so if you want it you'll have to buy an occasion old QB-9 first. "The QB-9 Twenty really surprised me by how great it sounds in my system. I say surprised because I've been listening to reference level DACs for quite a while from the likes of dCS (Rossini), EMM Labs (DV2), and Berkeley Audio Design (RS3), and the QB-9 Twenty absolutely held its own against these guys and delivered a level of performance that it had no right to deliver. " https://audiophilestyle.com/ca/reviews/review-ayre-acoustics-qb-9-twenty-r892/
 
Apr 26, 2021 at 11:59 AM Post #9,737 of 13,274
Hi guys, anyone here use these headphones with Nordost Heimdall 2?

I was told that this (Heimdall 2) is a very good sounding cable, and I wonder whether it would be a good match with the Empy. Currently I'm using the Empy with Silver Dragon XLR. I tried Meze's own Silver Plated cable and found that the SD is superior. Love to hear you guy's thought (especially in comparison with the Silver Dragon).

Thanks
 
Apr 26, 2021 at 12:15 PM Post #9,738 of 13,274
Hi guys, anyone here use these headphones with Nordost Heimdall 2?

I was told that this (Heimdall 2) is a very good sounding cable, and I wonder whether it would be a good match with the Empy. Currently I'm using the Empy with Silver Dragon XLR. I tried Meze's own Silver Plated cable and found that the SD is superior. Love to hear you guy's thought (especially in comparison with the Silver Dragon).

Thanks
I've never heard the Heimdall 2, however it has by far the thinnest gauge I've ever seen.
4x32awg is absolutely tiny.

I'd imagine that it lost quite some bass authority due to that.
Even if it does sound fine, I'd be worried about durability.

Considering that Nordost cables are among the priciest in the Business, I wouldn't recommend them.

Again this is not about the sound but about the amount of material used and possible implications on durability.

Just to out it into perspective, a regular 19awg cable uses 20x as much material as those 32awg Heimdalls
 
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Apr 26, 2021 at 8:43 PM Post #9,739 of 13,274
Hi guys, anyone here use these headphones with Nordost Heimdall 2?

I was told that this (Heimdall 2) is a very good sounding cable, and I wonder whether it would be a good match with the Empy. Currently I'm using the Empy with Silver Dragon XLR. I tried Meze's own Silver Plated cable and found that the SD is superior. Love to hear you guy's thought (especially in comparison with the Silver Dragon).

Thanks
I had the Nordost and Moon Silver Dragon at the same time for my Utopia. My very clear advice: Stick with the Moon cable.
 
Apr 26, 2021 at 10:19 PM Post #9,740 of 13,274
Hi guys, anyone here use these headphones with Nordost Heimdall 2?

I was told that this (Heimdall 2) is a very good sounding cable, and I wonder whether it would be a good match with the Empy. Currently I'm using the Empy with Silver Dragon XLR. I tried Meze's own Silver Plated cable and found that the SD is superior. Love to hear you guy's thought (especially in comparison with the Silver Dragon).

Thanks
I gave that cable a try for a week. It was fully burned in by the time that it was loaned to me. Honestly, it was hard to spot any real changes between the stock Meze cable and the Nordost. Based on the reviews that I read, it made more difference for Audeze headphones. It sounded fantastic when paired with Sony MDR-Z1R.

For those who are concerned with its durability, it is definitely not an issue. The cable is strong and well made. Compared to others it is surprisingly lightweight.
 
Apr 26, 2021 at 10:26 PM Post #9,741 of 13,274
I've never heard the Heimdall 2, however it has by far the thinnest gauge I've ever seen.
4x32awg is absolutely tiny.

I'd imagine that it lost quite some bass authority due to that.
Even if it does sound fine, I'd be worried about durability.

Considering that Nordost cables are among the priciest in the Business, I wouldn't recommend them.

Again this is not about the sound but about the amount of material used and possible implications on durability.

Just to out it into perspective, a regular 19awg cable uses 20x as much material as those 32awg Heimdalls
True enough. One has to have very good sight to see those conductors or use a magnifying glass. Unfortunately one gets no benefit out of those cables with the Empyrean. The stock cables are just as good and definitely take the prize in durability, at least visually, which seems to be a concern when you first get them. Interestingly, Nordost recently discontinued them because of high cost of manufacturing and likely low sales numbers. A dealer told me that they were thinking of raising the price but paying more than the current asking price of $800 just seems a bit ridiculous for what it offers.
 
Apr 27, 2021 at 4:28 AM Post #9,742 of 13,274
I haven't tried any Violectric amps yet.
What a travesty. I am tempted to mail you the old V200 in my closet just so you can hear what you’re missing.

The Empyreans sound incredible with the V281, especially balanced.
 
Apr 27, 2021 at 4:58 AM Post #9,743 of 13,274
Apr 27, 2021 at 7:48 AM Post #9,744 of 13,274
What a travesty. I am tempted to mail you the old V200 in my closet just so you can hear what you’re missing.

The Empyreans sound incredible with the V281, especially balanced.
Haha, I'm sure it'll be good. I'm more of a tube guy anyways. The best SS I have tried with the Empy was the XI Formula S, which was fantastic with Empy for sure, but still didn't compete with the sound of a good tube amp imho.
 
Apr 27, 2021 at 11:38 AM Post #9,745 of 13,274
I've never heard the Heimdall 2, however it has by far the thinnest gauge I've ever seen.
4x32awg is absolutely tiny.

I'd imagine that it lost quite some bass authority due to that.
Even if it does sound fine, I'd be worried about durability.

Considering that Nordost cables are among the priciest in the Business, I wouldn't recommend them.

Again this is not about the sound but about the amount of material used and possible implications on durability.

Just to out it into perspective, a regular 19awg cable uses 20x as much material as those 32awg Heimdalls

I had the Nordost and Moon Silver Dragon at the same time for my Utopia. My very clear advice: Stick with the Moon cable.

I gave that cable a try for a week. It was fully burned in by the time that it was loaned to me. Honestly, it was hard to spot any real changes between the stock Meze cable and the Nordost. Based on the reviews that I read, it made more difference for Audeze headphones. It sounded fantastic when paired with Sony MDR-Z1R.

For those who are concerned with its durability, it is definitely not an issue. The cable is strong and well made. Compared to others it is surprisingly lightweight.

Thanks everyone for your input!

I from the feedback, I think I will put my purchase on hold, until I can find something else. I actually quite like the SD, but I wish it gives me more punch/authority, without going overbroad into harshness. Any recommendation?
 
Apr 27, 2021 at 5:05 PM Post #9,746 of 13,274
Thanks everyone for your input!

I from the feedback, I think I will put my purchase on hold, until I can find something else. I actually quite like the SD, but I wish it gives me more punch/authority, without going overbroad into harshness. Any recommendation?
I can't really comment on other cables, as I'm running a simple LQI Silver-Plated Copper atm, but one thing that I would definitely recommend is that if you're experiencing harshness, make sure you try the Alcantara pads. I'm finding that as my Empys break in, the Alcantaras are giving me exactly what you're asking for. :beerchug:

Last night, I was listening to one of my favorites, "Speaking in Tongues" by Talking Heads (FLAC). When I listened to them brand new, the Alcantaras sounded a bit flat, it was a bit disappointing to me, truthfully. Not last night. Everything was there, perfectly presented, plenty of dynamics, and a surprising amount of textured, well-defined THUMP that had me awestruck. I'm no basshead, but that was truly magnificent.
 
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Apr 28, 2021 at 7:12 PM Post #9,747 of 13,274
Empyrean in da house! :)

Glad to be reunited with my first love... I have so much more equipment and experience this time... Looking forward to rediscovering the Empys.

First impressions:
1. they are too sensitive for the formula S. I hear a faint sound that shouldn't be there, also in low gain.
2. I thought the oratory EQ settings were a big improvement at first, with the formula S
3. Good synergy with my D90/A90 stack
4. Actually prefer them without EQ on the stack.

So much more to explore... :) Yet to try the Euforia.
 
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Apr 28, 2021 at 7:50 PM Post #9,749 of 13,274
Empyrean in da house! :)

Glad to be reunited with my first love... I have so much more equipment and experience this time... Looking forward to rediscovering the Empys.

First impressions:
1. they are too sensitive for the formula S. I hear a faint sound that shouldn't be there, also in low gain.
2. I thought the oratory EQ settings were a big improvement at first, with the formula S
3. Good synergy with my D90/A90 stack
4. Actually prefer them without EQ on the stack.

So much more to explore... :) Yet to try the Euforia.
Congrats ... Do you have by chance any eq settings for the leather pads? I only know of the Oratory90 ones which are for the velour pads.
 
Apr 28, 2021 at 8:05 PM Post #9,750 of 13,274
Congrats ... Do you have by chance any eq settings for the leather pads? I only know of the Oratory90 ones which are for the velour pads.
Thx! Really enjoying them again...

No I don't, I'm using the velour EQ with the leather pads. I adjusted the high shelf down by 2 db, and will likely do some more tweaking..
 

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