Master Clock Talk

[Jake2]

Very interesting. SFP AND external clock input/output. I can’t wait to hear user impressions!

@Dandoudou Cheers for sharing. Very interesting. Looks like it basically has a built-in in OCK-2, albeit with only a single square wave output:

"Oven Controlled Crystal Oscillator of OCK-2' quality"

This along with the clock input, the SFP, and enhanced power section, makes it look a pretty strong offering. I mean the 'mere' SW-8 sounds excellent in my system. I too look forward to the reviews, especially from someone with, say, an SW-8 or EtherRegen and/or a clock with even lower phase noise than the OCK-2 .

 

[piguetpolo]

Trying to understand which you liked better = Canare?

My apologies if I was unclear. Canare was good. Audience was so much better.

To date I've tried in this order: OEM stock Chord 50 Ohm cable > Eightwood 50 Ohm BNC (from Amazon), > Canare 50 Ohm L- 3DV2 > Audience Studio One 75 Ohm.

The Eightwood BNC was noticeably better than the Chord.

The Canare was equal / very slight improvement over the Eightwood. I like the flexibility of the stranded core and connectors of the Canare which may or may not have created a placebo effect favoring it in the rankings.

The Audience Studio One (AU24se) was to me a big improvement over the Canare. Full focus across the entire wide soundstage, sparkly details, and interesting stereo phase effects became more apparent.

I've found the clarity in phase separation stereo effects is common across all Audience cable which is what makes them special to listen to.

 

[piguetpolo]

LHY released the SW-10 switch. It costs $1,349.

https://www.beatechnik.com/lhy-audio-sw-10

Ugh , I should waited. Have a Silent Angel 10mhz switch en route.

 

[OCC7N]

My apologies if I was unclear. Canare was good. Audience was so much better.

To date I've tried in this order: OEM stock Chord 50 Ohm cable > Eightwood 50 Ohm BNC (from Amazon), > Canare 50 Ohm L- 3DV2 > Audience Studio One 75 Ohm.

The Eightwood BNC was noticeably better than the Chord.

The Canare was equal / very slight improvement over the Eightwood. I like the flexibility of the stranded core and connectors of the Canare which may or may not have created a placebo effect which favored it in the rankings.

The Audience Studio One (AU24se) was to me a big improvement over the Canare. Full focus across the entire wide soundstage, sparkly details, and interesting stereo phase effects became more apparent.

I've found the clarity in phase separation stereo effects is common across all Audience cable which is what makes them special to listen to.

Before I ask for link, I wanna know the price of the cable(Audience)

 

[piguetpolo]

Before I ask for link, I wanna know the price of the cable(Audience)

MSRP is 650USD for 1 meter. If you have a relationship with a dealer, they would probably work with you on pricing.

It's a very good value for performance considering the cable landscape.

 

[OCC7N]

MSRP is 650USD for 1 meter. If you have a relationship with a dealer, they would probably work with you on pricing.

It's a very good value for performance considering the cable landscape.

I knew it!....not gonna happen unless I make a swap deal with somebody with some hardware I dont use... hehe. Im starting from the lows ordering a cheap one and building/training my ears upwards.

Im sceptic but at the same time Im curious about expensive cables. Even though I made a swap deal with somebody and got:

Synergestic Research USB Active SE, I really hope to my objective listening that my cheap(decent) Supra usb cable does the same job. My life has been fighting my placebo in headfi ...

 

[piguetpolo]

I knew it!....not gonna happen unless I make a swap deal with somebody with some hardware I dont use... hehe. Im starting from the lows ordering a cheap one and building/training my ears upwards.

Im sceptic but at the same time Im curious about expensive cables. Even though I made a swap deal with somebody and got:

Synergestic Research USB Active SE, I really hope to my objective listening that my cheap(decent) Supra usb cable does the same job. My life has been fighting my placebo in headfi ...

You should be a skeptic. It's a journey. Once you find a manufacturer design philosophy and sound you like, it makes it easier to trust in their offering and to push the budget.

Exactly one year ago, I balked at paying more than 100USD on any cable. As I acquired a Qutest, I decided to up my cable game and try some entry level offerings from from 3 or 4 audiophile brands, looking for mostly discounted/used prices. Thankfully one did stand apart and that was the Audience Ohno.

Even after being sold on Audience Ohno, I had wandering eyes and tried another mid level (double the Ohno price) offering from another brand. It was pretty disappointing experience given its bump in price relative to the Ohno. This only confirmed Audience's credentials. I'm now at Studio One (AU24se) level, and would love to go up to AU24SX, but given it's price bump and the resolving power of Studio One, I've not had the itch.

If I sound like a fanboy, I am, and unapologetically. Still, I'm curious about Shunyata and Nordost.

 

[dougms3]

If you have a ock-2 connected to a DDC, dac, and sw-10, I wonder what the gains are going to be like.

I would imagine that sw-10 connected to a master clock is going to have a huge effect on streaming audio and probably video as well.

I wonder if it will do anything else, maybe reduce jitter or latency?

 

[piguetpolo]

Today I received a 75 Ohm Canare LV-61S with Neutrik Rear Twist BNC Connector. I had ordered this before reporting the testing with my Audience Studio One.

As I now have had several days listening experience with all these BNC cables, I went back and did a rapid A/B test. Had 2 songs playing back to back (Magnetic Fields, "San Francisco" and "The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side" from 69 Love Songs), swapped cable and repeated.

The 50 Ohm Canare L3D2V and (Amazon) Eightwood BNC were terrible. The bass was vague and ill defined, flabby, boomy and out of control. I feel I can honestly call it bad now that I'm comparing it to a high dollar cable. In isolation, it might pass for OK, as I myself had noted earlier.

The 75 Ohm Canare LV-61s was pretty good considering its price. I would consider it an acceptable basic cable, it does nothing great, but nothing wrong. That said, I have a feeling the Neutrik connector is a contributing part of the improvement. Its got a very positive tight vise-like engagement whereas the Canare was a good fit, but not as confidence inspiring as the Neutrik.

No contest. The Audience Studio One BNC keeps the clock signal in firm control. Because of this details are in tight focus. The bass definition and everything sounds for lack of a better word, "mature". So good.


Edit 2/12/2023: Came into some new insight and found that the 50 Ohm Canare L3D2V doesn't sound terrible as noted above. The problems I mentioned above were evident in the square wave outputs, but using sine wave the stereo image snapped into place.

 

[dougms3]

Today I received a 75 Ohm Canare LV-61S with Neutrik Rear Twist BNC Connector today. I had ordered this before reporting the testing with my Audience Studio One.

As I now have had several days listening experience with all these BNC cables, I went back and did a rapid A/B test. Had 2 songs playing back to back (Magnetic Fields, "San Francisco" and "The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side" from 69 Love Songs), swapped cable and repeated.

The 50 Ohm Canare L3D2V and (Amazon) Eightwood BNC were terrible. The bass was vague and ill defined, flabby, boomy and out of control. I feel I can honestly call it bad now that I'm comparing it to a high dollar cable. In isolation, it might pass for OK, as I myself had noted earlier.

The 75 Ohm Canare LV-61 was pretty good considering its price. I would consider it an acceptable basic cable, it does nothing great, but nothing wrong. That said, I have a feeling the Neutrik connector is a contributing part of the improvement. Its got a very positive tight vise-like engagement whereas the Canare was a good fit, but not as confidence inspiring as the Neutrik.

No contest. The Audience Studio One BNC keeps the clock signal in firm control. Because of this details are in tight focus. The bass definition and everything sounds for lack of a better word, "mature". So good.

In my experience with the canare, mogami and gotham cables for interconnects and HPCs, they are designed to shield from external interference very well but they sound the same as cheap $5 cables.

 

[OCC7N]

Today I received a 75 Ohm Canare LV-61S with Neutrik Rear Twist BNC Connector today. I had ordered this before reporting the testing with my Audience Studio One.

As I now have had several days listening experience with all these BNC cables, I went back and did a rapid A/B test. Had 2 songs playing back to back (Magnetic Fields, "San Francisco" and "The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side" from 69 Love Songs), swapped cable and repeated.

The 50 Ohm Canare L3D2V and (Amazon) Eightwood BNC were terrible. The bass was vague and ill defined, flabby, boomy and out of control. I feel I can honestly call it bad now that I'm comparing it to a high dollar cable. In isolation, it might pass for OK, as I myself had noted earlier.

The 75 Ohm Canare LV-61s was pretty good considering its price. I would consider it an acceptable basic cable, it does nothing great, but nothing wrong. That said, I have a feeling the Neutrik connector is a contributing part of the improvement. Its got a very positive tight vise-like engagement whereas the Canare was a good fit, but not as confidence inspiring as the Neutrik.

No contest. The Audience Studio One BNC keeps the clock signal in firm control. Because of this details are in tight focus. The bass definition and everything sounds for lack of a better word, "mature". So good.

Square or Sine waves?

 

[801evan]

Today I received a 75 Ohm Canare LV-61S with Neutrik Rear Twist BNC Connector today. I had ordered this before reporting the testing with my Audience Studio One.

As I now have had several days listening experience with all these BNC cables, I went back and did a rapid A/B test. Had 2 songs playing back to back (Magnetic Fields, "San Francisco" and "The Luckiest Guy on the Lower East Side" from 69 Love Songs), swapped cable and repeated.

The 50 Ohm Canare L3D2V and (Amazon) Eightwood BNC were terrible. The bass was vague and ill defined, flabby, boomy and out of control. I feel I can honestly call it bad now that I'm comparing it to a high dollar cable. In isolation, it might pass for OK, as I myself had noted earlier.

The 75 Ohm Canare LV-61s was pretty good considering its price. I would consider it an acceptable basic cable, it does nothing great, but nothing wrong. That said, I have a feeling the Neutrik connector is a contributing part of the improvement. Its got a very positive tight vise-like engagement whereas the Canare was a good fit, but not as confidence inspiring as the Neutrik.

No contest. The Audience Studio One BNC keeps the clock signal in firm control. Because of this details are in tight focus. The bass definition and everything sounds for lack of a better word, "mature". So good.

Plugs makes a difference that's why I went all out with Oyaide silver bnc plugs. Peace of mind as no other builds offer such.

 

[piguetpolo]

Square or Sine waves?

Square wave. It sounded better on casual A/Bing when I first installed in the chain.

Some point down the road with full burn-in and set up sorted, I'll A/B again to make sure I still feel the same.

 

[dougms3]

Plugs makes a difference that's why I went all out with Oyaide silver bnc plugs. Peace of mind as no other builds offer such.

Those oyaide connectors look real nice.

 

[OCC7N]

Square wave. It sounded better on casual A/Bing when I first installed in the chain.

Some point down the road with full burn-in and set up sorted, I'll A/B again to make sure I still feel the same.

Thanks! and you are using the ock2(masterclock) right? I ordered some cheap Wireworld cables. I think they are a good starting point.